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Old 03-29-2006, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all-

I'm about a month in with my 7105t on TMO and so far so good. I'm loving all the capabilities and now find it hard to live without push email, Google Local maps, etc. I'm a long time Palm user (since '97) and I think I'm ready to completely let go and give up PalmOS.

BUT. There are just two items that have eluded me thus far. One is an app that lets me use icons in my calendar. I'm used to using DateBk5 on PalmOS which allows me to use colorful and informative icons in my calendar. I love being able to go to the month view of my calendar and glancing at little icons for my flights, meetings, phone calls, etc. I haven't been able to find anything comparable for BlackBerryOS.

The second item is a smaller app called HappyDays. This is really neat. You put a contact's birthday directly into their entry in the Palm Address Book (such a logical place for this info). Then you run HappyDays. It reads all the birthdays from the address book database and creates a chronological list for you. I also make it populate my datebook with people's birthdays, complete with a 1 day reminder and a little birthday cake icon (using the functionality above). Again, I haven't been able to find anything comparable.

Any suggestions from the community here?

I guess I don't need exact replicas of this functionality. In that case, I'd love to know how do *you* handle birthday reminders and quick glances at your calendar?

I've tried searching for my answer to no avail. Apologies if this has already been covered. I've really enjoyed reading the wealth of information here.

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I also swtiched from a Palm device, Treo 600/650 to a BB, the 8700c. There is nothing exactly like DateBk5 that I have found, but I don't really miss it. I use an application called PocketDay as my home screen. You may want to check that out.

You may also want to check out Handango.com for BB applications.
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EMail CES and ask him to develop Datebk to the BB. I did but he said that there wasn't enough demand.
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OK, great suggestion cjmac. I emailed the non-technical support address on the pimlico software site and hopefully he'll respond.

This being said, how many BlackBerry users out there would be willing to buy DateBk5 if CESD develops it for BBOS? If we can start a group buy for his services with enough people, it just may compel him to port it.

I've also found that BB software seems a bit pricier than PalmOS software. DateBk5 sells for $25 I believe, but given the market I'm sure he could charge more for the BB version. Anyone willing to pay $35 for it? I sure would.

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OK, well I emailed CESD (the developer of DateBk5), and he wrote me back. I suppose it's a lost cause:


> Now, I know you are very busy. But would you consider porting DateBk5
> to the BlackBerryOS?

There are no plans at this time. Porting is out of the question. The environment is radically different and the architecture is too closed to allow an application like DateBk5 to run on a device like that. The Palm OS was almost unique in its ability to provide full access to the innards of the machine. Windows Mobile devices are close, although the environment is quite different. But RIM devices are a long way a way from either of them.

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While that may be true, BlackBerryOS 4.x and later have much fuller access between the application and the PIM, just look at PocketDay. The OS is restrictive for security reasons, but there is enough improvements to BlackBerryOS 4 lately.

I don't think they have truly seen the BlackBerry 8700 yet, and seen the massive improvements to the RIM API's made in the last 12 months. Yes, a $100 code signing key may be required but that's pretty much all you need. I have my own code signing key now.

It's not a lost cause -- maybe not now -- but sometime later. At least it's relatively easy to program on the BlackBerry.

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The second item is a smaller app called HappyDays. This is really neat. You put a contact's birthday directly into their entry in the Palm Address Book (such a logical place for this info). Then you run HappyDays. It reads all the birthdays from the address book database and creates a chronological list for you. I also make it populate my datebook with people's birthdays, complete with a 1 day reminder and a little birthday cake icon (using the functionality above). Again, I haven't been able to find anything comparable
It can be done from the desktop side, actually. Just find an Outlook birthday utility. You can make the birthdays autopopulate the Outlook Calendar, which would be synchronized with the BlackBerry. (I do wish there was a Birthday field for my BlackBerry addressbook.)
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This is my email to them:
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Is there going to be a DateBk5 for BlackBerry?

I am a programmer for PalmOS, PocketPC, and BlackBerry, and WOW...while RIM is still proprietary I am impressed at how much BlackBerry has improved. RIM has massively opened up their API's in year 2005 with the OS 4.0/4.1 and that replacement PIM's such as PocketDay (shareware), BBToday (opensource), and Dynoplex eOffice (commercial) have come out in the last 12 months, it's time for DateBk5 to come to BlackBerry... Obviously, it's now already technically possible, from my experience owning a LifeDrive and CLIE, as well as my brand new BlackBerry 8700r and there's a lot more applications for BlackBerry nowadays (great new stuff like MP3 ringtones, Nintendo emulator, videogames, photo viewing, Word/Excel style application, etc).

Modern 2006-era BlackBerry units are so dramatically different from the boring monochrome-like 2004-and-earlier units...

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OK I gotta laugh now. I did the same when I got my 7280 a number of years ago. I guess we won't see it but I do note this. I was told on this board that you can't have an app that would intert into the calandar an item let's day "Call.." and then have the address book pop up to choose. If it's still that restrictive, I am not sure Datebook 5 could make it.

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OK, well I emailed CESD (the developer of DateBk5), and he wrote me back. I suppose it's a lost cause:


> Now, I know you are very busy. But would you consider porting DateBk5
> to the BlackBerryOS?

There are no plans at this time. Porting is out of the question. The environment is radically different and the architecture is too closed to allow an application like DateBk5 to run on a device like that. The Palm OS was almost unique in its ability to provide full access to the innards of the machine. Windows Mobile devices are close, although the environment is quite different. But RIM devices are a long way a way from either of them.

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OK I gotta laugh now. I did the same when I got my 7280 a number of years ago. I guess we won't see it but I do note this. I was told on this board that you can't have an app that would intert into the calandar an item let's day "Call.." and then have the address book pop up to choose. If it's still that restrictive, I am not sure Datebook 5 could make it.
THAT is something I miss from PalmOS. I used Datebook5 as well and honestly dont really miss it - i use the agenda view, anything I need to really see in advance I do from my desk. As for birthdays, ive always just put them in my calendar as a yearly recurring event, starting on the year they were born!
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Hey Mark, or anyone else-

Have you found an app that will read from an Outlook field and populate the Datebook? I've got all my birthdays sitting in User Field 4 and would like some app to read that and populate datebook entries in Outlook. Alternatively, it would be fine if it read that field and copied it to the Outlook Birthday field.

I know that it's not possible to use Intellisync to map a User Field with the Outlook Birthday field.

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That's an alternative...

When you fill the birthdate field in Outlook, a yearly recurring reminder is automatically created but the reminder is only 30 minutes in advance. This is synchronized to the BlackBerry as an Outlook reminder and this will also show up in the BlackBerry's Agenda.

But third party software or a macro is needed to copy between the birthday field and a User field. I actually would like my birthday field to be automatically "synchronized" between a user field and the birthday field; this would be the solution to my problem of wanting to manually enter birthdays on the BlackBerry.

I think it would not be too difficult to write a Visual Basic macro to do this (or C#, but I use Outlook 2003 which still uses Visual Basic macros). I might even attack this problem in a month or two. What date format do you use for User Field 4 out of curiousity?

If some programmer can beat me to this, it would be appreciated
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Hi Mark, thanks for the quick reply.

My User Field 4 has birthdays in a variety of formats. This is because the PalmOS app I was using (HappyDays) could handle them. So, my data is in MM/DD/YYYY or MM/DD/YY or MM/DD.

Also, since that app could do lunar calendar conversions, some are notated -)MM/DD/YYYY using the lunar date. The app would calculate the Julian calendar date and populate my datebook accordingly.

Furthermore, if I used the notation !MM/DD/YYYY it wouldn't populate the datebook at all. This was useful for retaining birthday information for acquaintances but not cluttering up my calendar with all of their birthdays.

I didn't know about that 30 minute reminder limitation. It would be nice to get a day or two notice instead.

Also, another nice thing about HappyDays was that when it populated your datebook, it would put the number of years in brackets. So that way I knew, "oh, it's Mark's 30th birthday next month." Or hey, my parents have been married for 6 years. etc.

Would be super if someone could write a macro for this!
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On the Palm, I'm a big Agendus fan myself. I used to live on the calendar, & really miss the ability to easily link contacts to a meeting from the addresss book. I can do it on Outlook post-sync, but it's just not the same. As silly as it sounds, I miss those icons as well.

PocketDay has really helped in the transition though.
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I use Yahoo to provide a backup of all my PIM (cal/contacts, etc.) on the web in case my computer dies, or my dear spouse wants to logon and see whats up with soccer game transport etc.

And yahoo address book has a spot for all those birthdays, and has a variety of possible notification dates it will send you email reminders. Or you can have birthdays as annual recurring events with email notifications. I only use Outlook to run the Yahoo/Blackberry syncing through. No cute birthday cakes on your blackberry though, like my Palm had. But the cake is on the online Yahoo calendar.

I am hoping that as Yahoo and blackberry get more intwined, I can just omit outlook altogether at some point. I use gmail as my email BTW.

Good luck, LizL
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