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Old 05-01-2006, 08:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default So, why is there no file transfer over USB?

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I have found many references to the inability of transferring e-mail attachments into and out of the BB via the USB cable being "by design". Why is that?

This has certainly been discussed somewhere, and I'd be happy to be linked to another topic that handles this question, but after an hour or more of searching, I'm still in the dark as to why this oh-so-useful functionality isn't available.

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Old 05-01-2006, 08:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Simple, security. Core feature of the BlackBerry and why it has been widely adopted in Corp/Military/GOV
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Old 05-02-2006, 09:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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2 things that are still lacking

I meaningful File System, and a Command Shell

if Blackberry's want to be more than an * in history books, they will need to add a File System and Command Shell to the OS.

If corporations and military types dont want it, control it via IT policy.
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Old 05-02-2006, 11:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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What is a meaningful file system and why do I need one?

And a command shell to do what?
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Well said, NJBlackberry. Ya know, maybe its me, but I just dont get it. The Blackberry is an email, basic PIM, cell phone and Web browsing device. Plain and simple. Thats what it was designed to be and it succeeds very well at performing these functions. What could you possibly want to get to the shell for? Why do you need a file system browser? There are plenty of full fledged PDA's out there and if thats what you prefer, best of luck and go grab one. But for the above stated purposes, the Blackberry is second to none. I dont want to wade through 5 menus to get to email. I dont want to have to use a stylus or touchpad or other mouse like device to click on a Start Button and run a bunch of apps. Call me conservative, but I like the Blackberry OS just the way it is and hope that it does not morph into something that makes it harder to navigate through.
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2 things that are still lacking
You mean three things.
The Blackberry should also have a built in espresso machine so I don't need to go to Starbucks every morning.
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Old 05-02-2006, 12:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well said, NJBlackberry. Ya know, maybe its me, but I just dont get it. The Blackberry is an email, basic PIM, cell phone and Web browsing device. Plain and simple. Thats what it was designed to be and it succeeds very well at performing these functions. What could you possibly want to get to the shell for? Why do you need a file system browser? There are plenty of full fledged PDA's out there and if thats what you prefer, best of luck and go grab one. But for the above stated purposes, the Blackberry is second to none. I dont want to wade through 5 menus to get to email. I dont want to have to use a stylus or touchpad or other mouse like device to click on a Start Button and run a bunch of apps. Call me conservative, but I like the Blackberry OS just the way it is and hope that it does not morph into something that makes it harder to navigate through.
For all the reason you stated, that's why I got a Blackberry!
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Old 05-02-2006, 02:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Agreed. If I wanted a mini PC, would have purchased a pocket PC instead. The BB is a tool that I overlay with my laptop and other office tools to do the job. Gives If it gets any more complex than that, I would be more likely to use my laptop and a cell phone (god forbid). And would look much less cool doing it.
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Old 05-02-2006, 06:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I understand the simplicity aspect - I'm not expecting a command shell or file system. However, I still don't see why allowing opaque attachments to be transferred from a PC onto a BlackBerry and vice versa sacrifices security on the BlackBerry (by "opaque", I mean that the BlackBerry wouldn't be able to do anything with it other than transport it). Or, when you refer to security are you referring to keeping the PCs secure? I'm just trying to understand; perhaps there's a whitepaper on the BB's security philosophy somewhere.
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Did not mean to be so harsh, but there have been a bunch of threads in the past about why there is no mp3 player or how can you play videos on the Blackberry, and it can get me riled up! As you can see, a lot of us (probably mostly corporate users like myself) like the simplicity of email on the BB and hope it stays that way.

There is a wealth of information and white papers available on RIM's main Blackberry site at www.blackberry.net., specifically if you click on the Developers link. Perhaps there you may find the information you seek. Spend some time there if you get a chance, I learned much by wading through a lot of the documentation there.

Good luck.
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Old 05-03-2006, 09:04 AM   #11 (permalink)
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some of the old school BB supporter comments remind me of two Pablo Picasso quotes

xxx8220;He can who thinks he can, and he can't who thinks he can't. This is an inexorable, indisputable law.xxx8221; it sounds like most of you fall in the "can't be done" category.

xxx8220;Others have seen what is and asked why. I have seen what could be and asked why not.xxx8221;

I am not asking for a camera or mp3 system. My wishlist would be a file system that works like my other electronic devices. you plug it into the PC and an F: or G: drive appears. Actually, I'd like to see a BB with an SD Flash Drive slot.

Make the OS filesystem off limits. But allocate some space on the BB for user access.

What is RIM protecting by not allowing file access?

I can transfer files from my PC to Blackberry now with eFile. its a stupid way to transfer files though, but it works.
I also use a USB Flash Drive to move files from my PC to where ever I am going, perhaps to see my russian spy friend (tongue in cheek).

Work is more that text emails, work also includes Word Docs, Spreadsheets, Visio docs, MS-project docs, and documents that have nothing to do with MS-Office.
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I am not asking for a camera or mp3 system. My wishlist would be a file system that works like my other electronic devices. you plug it into the PC and an F: or G: drive appears. Actually, I'd like to see a BB with an SD Flash Drive slot.
Not for nothing though, this topic gets brought up every few weeks. BB's need this and BB's need that. Yes I have a grocery list that I wish RIM would adopt, but the fact remains I am but one customer buying one device every few years, where as the Govt and Corp. buy many devices on a daily basis. Money talks and big money talks big time.

The BB is great at what it does.

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Old 05-03-2006, 10:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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For those that think it's not a security risk to have the ability to transfer files to the BlackBerry, consider this...

Someone works in a high security area...Cell phones are not allowed, but since the BlackBerry has no camera and good security, they are allowed. They connect the BlackBerry to the computer, transfer confidential documents to the handheld and walk out the door. There is no way to tell that they even did that.

So, if it were possible to do that, any company that currently will allow a BlackBerry but not a cell phone/PDA will have to chang their stance and say no BlackBerry either.

You want a word doc on your handheld, email it to yourself and view it through the attachment viewer.

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Old 05-03-2006, 11:58 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Well said Zro, and if you're caught in those areas with a USB drive or any storage device, be prepared for a very unpleasant experience.

Just my $0.02

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Old 05-03-2006, 12:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Thanks Zro for clarifying what type of security you guys are talking about. However, with products like eFile already available, I don't see how the BlackBerry can make the promise that people can't take off with files on it anyway!
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