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Old 05-05-2006, 04:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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After reading most of the many threads on the new BIS, I'm trying to understand the differences between BES 1.8 and 2.0, please help. Below, I've listed what I understand to be the Pros and Cons of each, if you know of any others, please let me know.

BIS 1.8
Pros
Polling of up to 10 Accts
Access to BB email from both BB and PC
Ability to manage BB emails using multiple folders
BB Emails and Attachments available forever
Auto Bcc capability

Cons
Only one From address
Size limit on BB email acct

BIS 2.0
Pros
Polling of up to 10 Pop Accts
. One Way (BB to provider) Integration with Yahoo and IMAP inbox, Sent and Delete folders
Multiple Spoofed From address
No size limit on BB acct
Auto Bcc capability

Cons
BB Emails stored only on BB after 30 days
No access to attachments after 30 days
Cannot access BB emails from PC
No ability to use Folders to manage any email
limit for messages forwarded to the carrier.blackberry.net is 5 mb.

Have I got all this correct?

Hope this helps.
Rcbjr

Added indiividual email limit (Whsbuss)
Corrected intigration Pro on 2.0 (Stinsonddog)
Added autoBcc capability (no difference)

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Old 05-05-2006, 04:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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After reading most of the many threads on the new BIS, I'm trying to understand the differences between BES 1.8 and 2.0, please help. Below, I've listed what I understand to be the Pros and Cons of each, if you know of any others, please let me know.

BIS 1.8
Pros
Polling of up to 10 Accts
Access to BB email from both BB and PC
Ability to manage BB emails using multiple folders
BB Emails and Attachments available forever

Cons
Only one From address
Size limit on BB email acct

BIS 2.0
Pros
Polling of up to 10 Pop Accts
. Integrates with Yahoo and IMAP inbox, Sent and Delete folders
Multiple Spoofed From address
No size limit on BB acct

Cons
BB Emails stored only on BB after 30 days
No access to attachments after 30 days
Cannot access BB emails from PC
No ability to use Folders to manage any email

Have I got all this correct?

Hope this helps.
Rcbjr
One other difference..... on BIS 2.0 the limit for messages forwarded to the carrier.blackberry.net is 5 mb.
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The integration with Yahoo/Imap is one way only - from the BB to to the service. Desktop moves are not replicated on the BB unlike BES.
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the additions and corrections Whsbuss and Stinsonddog.

Thanks for your Help.
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Old 05-05-2006, 05:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I was chomping for 2.0 but without folder moves I can wait.
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I was chomping for 2.0 but without folder moves I can wait.
Lets hope they add folder support. I'm sure at some point in the near future we'll all be forced to 2.0

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Old 05-05-2006, 06:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wirelessly posted (8700c: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

I was chomping for 2.0 but without folder moves I can wait.
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I guess my next question is "How can we prevent Cingular from foisting this CRIPPLED "upgrade" on us until all the current capabilities are included. I don't think either of my ISPs provide IMAP capabilities and I distrust Yahoo something fierce. And thirty day access to attachments is ridiculous. As is the 5Mb limit on other emails.

Thanks for your Help.
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After reading the specs on BIS 2.0 it seems as though the ability to have an Auto BCC set for all outgoing BlackBerry emails has been removed.

Is this correct? Is the Auto BCC feature gone?
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I believe that in the beta version and the announcement for the T-mo roll out it was, but that there was such a protest that it was put back in before it went operational.

Some one correct me if I'm wrong and I'll add this.

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Wirelessly posted (7250/4.1.0.268, Bell Mobility: BlackBerry7250/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/109)

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I believe that in the beta version and the announcement for the T-mo roll out it was, but that there was such a protest that it was put back in before it went operational.

Some one correct me if I'm wrong and I'll add this.

Hope this helps.
Rcbjr
That would be exceptional. Removing Auto BCC is a game-killer for me; right now I'm using it to maintain a persistent archive of all my emails.

Can someone confirm that it is still available in BIS 2.0?
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Confirmed.
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Sorry for my ignorance here but the BIS that I am using has not changed. Was this an automatic upgrade of the service? When I was on Nextel the BIS they provided actually worked like a standard web based e-mail program, ie it did not just forward e-mails but stored them too. Not that I used it for that. I am on Verizon now.
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hi i have a question, if you delete your 2.0 client, and recreate it, you lose the ability to reintegrate the email that u had with your old user ID, it says "name already taken" yet you have just deleted it.

any thoughts on this?

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rta53 - if you sign into your BIS you'll havr the option to upgrade. It's up to you if you want to or not

Dreadrus - i'd call your carrier so they can sort it out - you should be able to re-use your old BIS address
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rta53 - if you sign into your BIS you'll havr the option to upgrade. It's up to you if you want to or not

Dreadrus - i'd call your carrier so they can sort it out - you should be able to re-use your old BIS address
I am sure this will only be temporary. Sooner or later those who did not upgrade will be required to and will wake up to find it done.
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how do i know what version i am running?
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For some reason, I have the feeling it is going to be made available sooner than we think. I hope they also give teh option to upgrade. I got to use teh T Mobile 2.0 for 14 days so I had a quick test run with it. I liked certain part and disliked others. One thing that I wonder about with cingular is if the 5 meg will be the same and I hope they do not Cingular does charge more so they should be giving the users their money's worth.
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how do i know what version i am running?
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If when you login to you BIS from the internet, you have an inbox, you're carrier is running BIS 1.8. If not they have upgraded to BIS 2.0

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a few new things:

on 1.8 if you deleted an item, and in messages>options>emailreconcilation>deleteon, mailbox wins, mailbox and handheld, you could run "reconcile now" to delete stuff from the bis 1.8 inbox.

now on 2.0, if you do this, it can actually delete stuff out of the inbox of certain mail programs since it is now direct to the inbox of how your geting your mail. my testing:

hotmail: reconcile now, and delete on "handheld and mailbox" sends the item to the trash in hotmail

sympatico: reconcile now, deletes the mail right out of the mailbox permenantly

gmail: reconcile now, does nothing.

anyone with feedback on this thanks in advance

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You are probobly correct, that is the "one way integration with IMAP" mentioned in the original post.

Thanks for your Help.
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