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Old 05-07-2006, 09:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey folks, I'm a former Treo650 user who bought an 8125. I've found I can't stand the WM5 interface, so I'm trying to decide if I should switch to the 8700c.

I currently have cingular international voice roaming enabled on my account, and need to be able to use my phone overseas for voice. I DO NOT want to use the phone overseas for data. Is there any way to tell the device not to use data functions when roaming? Will the device even attempt to pull data? Anyone gotten home with any enormous roaming data bills after international travel?
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At least in my experience -- also with Cingular -- international data is inexpensive.

To convert to unlimited international data from unlimited domestic data is about $20/month (from $45 to $65/month). And they will prorate the charge so you're only paying for the time you're actually out of the country. Sometimes there's a delay in posting the charges to your account, so you probably don't want to cancel the unlimited international plan immediately upon returning.

International voice roaming is different. I found it VERY expensive. Cingular has some sort of monthly plan for about $5 that provides discounted international voice roaming rates. But with the discount, it was about $2/minute.
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Thanks for the answer. The question I'm really trying to get at though it this:

Can I somehow disable the data part of the phone while I'm overseas? I mean is there some toggle or setting on the phone to tell it not to use data when roaming? Or the second I walk across the border will I begin to incur data charges? I'm probably going to just shell out the extra $20 for the month I'm overseas, but I'd rather not use any data at all during that time.
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Not that I know of. The best way is to probably switch to a quad band GSM phone instead or add the international data plan.

International voice roaming is very expensive and rates vary depending on the country you're visiting. My better half is traveling in Australia, Indonesia, and Taiwan this month. Their World Traveler discounted international roaming rates for those three countries vary from $1.29 to $3.49 per minute. What will really hurt is that unanswered calls that go to voicemail while you're phone is on and registered in another country will be billed twice the rate in the country you're visiting -- once for the call being routed to the country you're in and another time for routing the call back to the voicemail center in the US. Just be sure you know what you're getting into and take the appropriate steps (I recommend disabling voicemail forwarding).
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Well, i've purchased the 8700c today. Its a very very nice device. I like it much better than the 8125 so far.

Thanks for the tip. What I've done for now is sign up for the international blackberry roaming... when I get back I'll have to turn that back to domestic only.

As for the phone calls, I know they'll charge me out the yinyang, I'll just have to keep those calls to a minimum. Disabling voicemail forwarding is a good idea. Any idea of how I go about doing that?
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Update to the Telstra OS (4.1.0.371) and you can go to Options/Settings then Network and set "Data Services" to Off or Off When Roaming. This is not available in previous versions of OS 4.1 for any 8700 on any other carrier. Look in the 8700 forum for more information and the thread with the Telstra upgrade instructions.
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<I currently have cingular international voice roaming enabled on my account, and need to be able to use my phone overseas for voice. I DO NOT want to use the phone overseas for data. Is there any way to tell the device not to use data functions when roaming? Will the device even attempt to pull data?>

I had a similar question when I got my BB a few months ago. In the end I had two options, both of which worked. I'm with T-mo in the UK.

1: Buy a cheap, voice only mobile, put the BB sim card in that and use that abroad.
2: Go to T-Mo instantemail/BB site (or your equivalent) and remove all the email accounts it polls. Set them up again when you return.

Hope this helps - I'm not a tech person so I've probably not used the right terms - apologies if this is so.
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That's great...I didn't know you could do unlimited International data. I'm on the phone with Cingular right now switching over, and they say that checking my voice mail is treated as a regular call, e.g. a phone call from France would cost 99c, and if I checked my voice mail from France, that would also be 99c. With the regular international roaming (voice) plan, they were telling me it would cost twice the amount of a regular call. Does anyone have any experience with which one of these is true?

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Not that I know of. The best way is to probably switch to a quad band GSM phone instead or add the international data plan.

International voice roaming is very expensive and rates vary depending on the country you're visiting. My better half is traveling in Australia, Indonesia, and Taiwan this month. Their World Traveler discounted international roaming rates for those three countries vary from $1.29 to $3.49 per minute. What will really hurt is that unanswered calls that go to voicemail while you're phone is on and registered in another country will be billed twice the rate in the country you're visiting -- once for the call being routed to the country you're in and another time for routing the call back to the voicemail center in the US. Just be sure you know what you're getting into and take the appropriate steps (I recommend disabling voicemail forwarding).
i dont know if disabling voicemail will help. one rep said yes. he said to call cingular to disable before i go oversea to avoid "double charge." but the last rep i talk to that it make not alway be the case, he said he saw this happening before. even if u take the precaution, it may still go to the voicemail and then you will be paying double of what the internation rate of that country.

can anyone where verify this is true? that disabling voicemail may not help.
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I would just get the backup phone for voice and not even bother taking the BB unless you are an addict like most of the rest of us on the forum.
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Upgrade to the Telstra version of the 8700 software. It has an option in the "Networks" section to Turn Data Off.
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Is there any way to tell the device not to use data functions when roaming? Will the device even attempt to pull data? Anyone gotten home with any enormous roaming data bills after international travel?
Email data is pushed to the BB devices. You can set your email filters so that email is not delivered to your handheld. If you're running against a Blackberry server (corporate environment) v. .4.0 or higher, you can set this from the device. Open Messages, select Options from the Messages menu. Select Email Filters. Change the setting "If no filters apply, send email to handheld:" to NO. Set any filters/rules to not deliver to the device.

If you're receiving email through Desktop Manager redirector, set email filters through Desktop Manager -> Redirector Settings -> Filters.

You can ensure the settings are working while you're still within domestic coverage. Just send an email to yourself that would generally deliver to your BB. If you don't receive it, the filters are working properly. You would still be able to send messages while traveling internationally, so you'd just need to avoid the urge to keep from getting charged.

If you have any applications (3rd party to the default RIM components) that automatically push data to the device, set the settings within the individual applications or delete the apps. Reload when you return.
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That's great...I didn't know you could do unlimited International data. I'm on the phone with Cingular right now switching over, and they say that checking my voice mail is treated as a regular call, e.g. a phone call from France would cost 99c, and if I checked my voice mail from France, that would also be 99c. With the regular international roaming (voice) plan, they were telling me it would cost twice the amount of a regular call. Does anyone have any experience with which one of these is true?

Thanks!
You pay a round trip fee. If someone calls you in France and you don't answer, your call will be conditionally diverted to voicemail. You will pay $1.98 per minute for that honor. Then you will pay $0.99 a minute to retrieve the call.

I speak with first hand knowledge. I am on Cingular. Since January 1, I've been out of the US more than I've been in. I've been hit by this fee before and speak from personal knowledge. You can have voicemail disabled by calling Cingular before going or you can hard divert the calls to a different number. I am one of the founding members of prepaidgsm.net (a forum on prepaid mobile issues). I speak from first hand knowledge.

I have a prepaid SIM from United Mobile which has free incoming calls in 80 countries. It gives you a Liechtenstein number. I purchased a US 800 number from callbackworld.com which costs US$0.14 a minute to divert to a Liechtenstein mobile. I have this 800 number permanently diverted to Liechtenstein. When I leave the US, I divert my Cingular phone to this number. I have fastfoward on my cingular phone and have unlimited call forwarding.

If you have some ATT long distance plans, forwarding to LIechtenstein Mobiles is only $10 a minute. Americom.com also has a ten cent connection to these numbers. I've disconnected my home phone so this doesn't do me much good.
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