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Old 05-22-2006, 11:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hello all,

im sorry if i ask a stupid question. here is a my situations,i inherited a cingular blackberry 7100g w/ unlimited data plan. and i went to cingular website and they offer aim, msn, yahoo messenger etc. they said on the website it will cost $.10 to receive or send a instant message.

well today i just logged into msn website on the cingular browser. there is an msn messenger link. it seems i can instant message anyone using this method. now my $64,000 dollar question is will i get charge for this using this method? bare in mind i have unlimited data plan and didnt install or use any msn messenger client on this phone. im just browsing to msn website on my phone and using the msn messenger link w/ the cingular browser. so does any know anything so i won't get a $1000 phone bill next month? thx in advance.

ps - if it doesn't cost anything i hope to use it when im traveling to europe which will be very helpful.

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Old 05-23-2006, 08:04 AM   #2 (permalink)
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no one in this forum knows an answer to this question above?
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I would expect you would get charged as if you were using any other web site.
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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but im using a website. how are they (cingular) going to detect it? i'm not using any instant messenger clients.
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That's my point, it's just any site. So if you're on an unlimited plan (paying a fixed charge for web site access), then I would expect this to fall into that group. But access via a web site is a poor user experience (though better than nothing).

I suggest you look carefully at what they're offering at a cost per instant message - it maybe their gateway to instant message platforms that they host fro normal phone users.

You might try and see if the Google Talk client can be made to work for the BB. I think it's a generic GPRS application. If it will work you may be able to something in writing from Cingular to say you won't be charged extra fro its use...
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well if you go to cingular website:

it stated i do get charged for using IM. so what is the point of getting google talk if it is a client and i use it on my blackberry to IM. wouldn't they detect it and charge me $.10/msg?

wibby: so let's be clear, what you are saying is that since im using my msn messenger over a web portal (mobile.msn.com) and since i have unlimited data i won't be charge. i dont really care about the interface, it is not bad for me since i test it out last nite.
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dammit...i cant post any url for my message above since i dont have at least 10 post.
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ok here are the urls:

http://www.cingular.com/media/instant_messaging

http://www.cingular.com/media/instant_faqs#purchasing

so once again...do i need to pay for using my msn messenger over a web portal?
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I read the site and it sounds like instant messenging via SMs text. Do they charge for using Ramble or other client using data?
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wibby: so let's be clear, what you are saying is that since im using my msn messenger over a web portal (mobile.msn.com) and since i have unlimited data i won't be charge. i dont really care about the interface, it is not bad for me since i test it out last nite.
I don't *know* what Cingular do/how they work, but that's what I would expect.
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I read the site and it sounds like instant messenging via SMs text. Do they charge for using Ramble or other client using data?
I agree. It will all be a question of if thay can detect use of a non-sms based IM client...

Is there nobody on Cingular here who knows?
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You will only get charged for sending/receiving SMS and MMS messages, not for using third party IM clients such as IM+, Ramble, WebMessenger, Verichat or Yak-On. Search around a bit in these forums and you will find much discussion about this - it is a well covered topic as most all of us are interested in it. Start with this link: BlackBerry IM Chat Apps/FAQ - MSN/AIM/ICQ/Yahoo/Google [UPDATED]
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I read the site and it sounds like instant messenging via SMs text. Do they charge for using Ramble or other client using data?

yes they charge for instant messenger use. here is the links once again.

http://www.cingular.com/media/instant_messaging
http://www.cingular.com/media/instant_faqs#purchasing

but remember im using msn messenger on the cingular web browser. im not using an actual client. so let's clear it up once and for all. do i get charge by using this instant message method over the web?

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You will only get charged for sending/receiving SMS and MMS messages, not for using third party IM clients such as IM+, Ramble, WebMessenger, Verichat or Yak-On. Search around a bit in these forums and you will find much discussion about this - it is a well covered topic as most all of us are interested in it. Start with this link: BlackBerry IM Chat Apps/FAQ - MSN/AIM/ICQ/Yahoo/Google [UPDATED]
well if that is the case, why does cingular said they charge for instant messenger like aim and yahoo messenger usage on their website?
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well if that is the case, why does cingular said they charge for instant messenger like aim and yahoo messenger usage on their website?
I'd imagine it's through Cingular's clients, not third-party clients.
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I'd imagine it's through Cingular's clients, not third-party clients.
so if it is thru cingular client, why would anybody in their right minds will purchase the client from cingular? cingular charge $.10/msg. those could add up to a big phone bill easily if im is your cup of tea.

they could just buy a third party im client like verichat and use it for free if they have unlimited data?

but isn't this illegal?

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Nobody in their right mind would do that, and none do. Everyone I know uses the 3rd party apps. As for morality, of course it is. This is the epitome of a capitalist society - free business market allows us to choose our methods of communication via IM clients. It's legal, ethical, and certainly moral. If you personally feel immoral about it, you have the choice to pay per message thru Cingular.
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thanx for everyone help.

ok i guess it is clear that i won't get charge by using the "illegal" method.
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I want you to first read a couple threads about this. There has been much discussion over this issue, and while the general concensus is that you will not get charged, some have stated they have been charged if the WAP settings are not correct. It is too much to discuss in this post, so please read these two threads before you determine which course of action you will follow.

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I do take a little umbrage to the phrase 'illegal' being used to describe Ramble and Yak-On. I don't believe that they are breaking any laws or abusing carrier resources. These apps are using the bandwidth and messaging gateways available to any WAP program. Just my 2 cents.
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