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coreys 06-09-2006 01:23 AM

Help! Newbie looking for hard answers
 
I'm looking into getting a BB 8700c when I get back to the states from Japan in a few months. I've read threads here regarding BBs until my eyes felt like they were going to start bleeding but I'm still not 100% on where things stand right now. I will be using it primarly for personal use. Last fall I was using a Sidekick II with T-mobile and other than flakey service It did everything I needed it to do. Mail and IM were rock solid, browsing was acceptable, and phone use was good enough. I'm moving back to an area not covered by T-Mobile so I am looking into a BB as a possible replacement

Please assist me in figuring out the following:

BIS: I keep getting the impression that having a BB on BIS is like having a castrated, retarded BB (posts keep coming back and saying "get BES and it will work"). Does the current iteration of BIS with Cingular work well?

IM: I think that the IM thing has been figured out on here no? What I'm unclear on is if I was to sign up today and get new service what steps will I have to take to get IM working with IM+ or Verichat? Are Mark Rejhon's directions for TCP/IP setup up to date (in the first post in that thread). Long story short, I don't want to have to fart around getting apps working. Again, refer back to my concerns about the solution to all problems apparently being "get BES."

Additionally, how stable are the apparent top three universal clients? (Verichat, Webmessenger, IM+)

Foreign Language: Specifically Japanese. I want/need the ability to read and input Japanese. I know that NTT offers their Namimail application which will soon support input on 8700's. Has anyone used it? If so, does it work well? What about support from RIM? I noticed that Japan is getting BB soon. Is it possible to just add on a language input method like in a desktop OS and switch between them easily (Chinese for example)?

Mail: I know that BB mail is supposedly bulletproof. However, I do remember seeing something on here about Cingular BIS not allowing you to select different outgoing addresses when sending mail (only one available). Is that still the case?

Long story short, I want a mobile for communication and it needs to just plain work the way it ought to all the time.

Thanks for you help!

elpha 06-09-2006 03:49 AM

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I'm a t-mobile BIS user, so I can't speak directly to some of your questions, but I think you're asking too much. It is going to take some messing around to get IM up and running. Why? Because it's a business phone at it's core, and you're asking it to do unusal things. I don't think BIS is that much worse than BES, although I do with I could do a better calendar sync. But maybe that's just cause I'm using t-mobile. Also, I'd investigate using google talk and gateways to do IM. That's what I'm using and I'm very happy with it.


If you want something that's going to do everything you listed out of the box I don't think BB is for you.
Maybe that qwerty LG thing that cingular offers?

EricaJ1074 06-09-2006 04:14 AM

I would look around for other carriers if Cingular doesn't seem appealing to you. If you have Sprint, Verizon, Nextel, or some other carrier that offers BlackBerry service where you live and work, then check those out but first you need to find out who has the best coverage. Also, check out their BB Data Plan rates because you will need that to get email.

I believe you can choose the input language through Application Loader but I've never done it before.

If you want IMs, there are others on here who have used VeriChat.

BIS really is not that hard to set up. I have set up my last 3 BlackBerrys using BIS and I get all of my emails delivered. Or you can forward the mail using POP access from your desktop mail clients.

Hope this helps.

digital/blasphemy 06-09-2006 04:41 AM

I keep getting the impression that having a BB on BIS is like having a castrated, retarded BB (posts keep coming back and saying "get BES and it will work"). Does the current iteration of BIS with Cingular work well?

No, having BIS is not having a retarded berry. I can surf the internet at lightning speeds, have all my e-mail pushed to my device, utilize 3rd party data apps. I'm speaking for T-MO BIS 2.0, and I know that cingular is in the process of upgrading to 2.0 and dropping the price on the unlimited plan (This news actually prompted my decision to switch to cingular asap).

IM: I think that the IM thing has been figured out on here no? What I'm unclear on is if I was to sign up today and get new service what steps will I have to take to get IM working with IM+ or Verichat? Are Mark Rejhon's directions for TCP/IP setup up to date (in the first post in that thread). Long story short, I don't want to have to fart around getting apps working. Again, refer back to my concerns about the solution to all problems apparently being "get BES."

IM works great on BB. The best part is, there are so many options to choose from, as you can use any of the multitude of 3rd party apps (Ramble by SRA works the best for me for AIM). As to your question of universal clients, I found IM+ to be the program with the least amount of dropped connections, and there's also instructions floating around about how to configure google talk to handle all your IM accounts (also, it's free!)

Foreign Language: Specifically Japanese. I want/need the ability to read and input Japanese. I know that NTT offers their Namimail application which will soon support input on 8700's. Has anyone used it? If so, does it work well? What about support from RIM? I noticed that Japan is getting BB soon. Is it possible to just add on a language input method like in a desktop OS and switch between them easily (Chinese for example)?

like erica stated, I've never had the need.. but i have seen many languages as an option to load on the application loader.

Mail: I know that BB mail is supposedly bulletproof. However, I do remember seeing something on here about Cingular BIS not allowing you to select different outgoing addresses when sending mail (only one available). Is that still the case?

Long story short, I want a mobile for communication and it needs to just plain work the way it ought to all the time.


I believe this was the case with the old BIS. However, the new 2.0 BIS gives you the ability to change that option.

as far as working the way it ought to all the time. I can say that the BlackBerry OS is known for it's rock-solid stability. Unlike the myriad of complaints on the Treo series and other smartphones, it's EXCEEDINGLY rare (to the point of it's never ever happened to me) for a BB to "crash" or "freeze"

coreys 06-10-2006 08:19 AM

Thanks for the the replies. To clarify, I'm not averse to installing additional applications but I want to be sure they will work before I plunk down the money on the platform. There just seemed to be a lot of ambiguity in the posts I had read about what things would work with what carriers and so forth.

I'm actually kind of suprised that given how many small businesses use AIM and such for work communication that RIM doesn't have a more robust first party universal application available for add on.

My options at this point are limited to a BB or some kind of WM device. Having owned PocketPCs before I'm hesitant to go that way even though the Motorola Q with Verizon seems interesting. Treos, while always judged highly in reviews, seem to be pretty weak sauce in real life (my friend hates his).

I have no problem with Cingular, I prefer them in fact. I'd mostly wish that they'd offer the Danger Hiptop, but one can't make phone decisions based on hopes and dreams can they :) I don't need the flashy stuff most modern phones offer like cameras and the like. I just need the mobile communication stuff and the BB seemed like the best option if I could get all of the things I listed working in a usable form.

Dubdub 06-10-2006 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by coreys
Thanks for the the replies. To clarify, I'm not averse to installing additional applications but I want to be sure they will work before I plunk down the money on the platform. There just seemed to be a lot of ambiguity in the posts I had read about what things would work with what carriers and so forth.

I'm actually kind of suprised that given how many small businesses use AIM and such for work communication that RIM doesn't have a more robust first party universal application available for add on.

My options at this point are limited to a BB or some kind of WM device. Having owned PocketPCs before I'm hesitant to go that way even though the Motorola Q with Verizon seems interesting. Treos, while always judged highly in reviews, seem to be pretty weak sauce in real life (my friend hates his).

I have no problem with Cingular, I prefer them in fact. I'd mostly wish that they'd offer the Danger Hiptop, but one can't make phone decisions based on hopes and dreams can they :) I don't need the flashy stuff most modern phones offer like cameras and the like. I just need the mobile communication stuff and the BB seemed like the best option if I could get all of the things I listed working in a usable form.


Keep in mind that if plan to travel internantionally, only GSM phones will work, not Verizon or Sprint CDMA (although there are workarounds) and none of the US phones will work in Japan as far as I know.

I have a BB on Cingular BIS and love it. There are advantages and disadvantages to both BES and BIS. I would search the threads here and see what you can find out. The new Cingular BIS should make it easier touse in a BIS environment, if all I read about it really works.

Berry One 06-10-2006 09:04 AM

Foreign Language: Specifically Japanese. I want/need the ability to read and input Japanese.

I know that blackberry supports UNICODE, but I sent myself email with Japanese text and received it as black boxes on device. Proper fonts must be missing- you may need to install blackberry OS tuned for Asian markets.

There is no option to input Japanese yet, to my knowledge, but I may be wrong.


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