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Old 07-20-2006, 02:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was recently told by one of my co workers that Bell Mobility has changed their data plans and their $60 BlackBerry data pack is limited to 30MB with an $8 per MB overage charge and their $100 BlackBerry data pack offering $250 MB with an $8 per MB overage charge.

Rogers Wireless on the other hand offers:

$25/mo: 0.5Mb with a $31 per MB overage
$40/mo: 1Mb with a $10 per MB overage
$60/mo: 25MB with a $7 per MB overage

I have a kick ass voice plan that I do not want to lose and on top of that I pay $60 for my BlackBerry connectivity. I like the fact that I can travel on a whim with a GSM Device and not worry about renting a device overseas or what not but that being said I am debating on keeping my voice with Rogers Wireless and getting BlackBerry connectivity through Bell Mobility.

My primary Rogers rep is on vacation and the 2nd is off until Monday so I thought I'd ask the BB crowd here if they knew of anything or heard any rumors in regards to Rogers Wireless.

Now that Bell has changed their data plans do you think Rogers will anytime soon at all? $60 for 30MB on Bell where Rogers is $25... will Rogers bump theirs to 30 or more at all? Will Rogers offer a higher BlackBerry data pack at all or are we all stuck with this pita 25MB cap/mo?

If anyone has heard anything about Robbers rate changes please post here. I already know about the whole CDMA vs GSM thing but that's the last thing on my mind. I am just looking for more data without paying an arm and a leg for it. If I can save with Bell then so be it I am willing to make the switch. Thanks in advance.
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There are new capabilities coming very soon to Blackberry which will increase data consumption. For this reason, I cannot see carriers improving upon their Blackberry data pricing and details.

Some have speculated that Rogers will improve their plans with the impending launch of HSDPA. Again, I have my doubts this will materialize.

$40 (difference between plans) for an additional 220MB of data usage is exceptionally reasonable. Depending on how often you're abroad, I'd seriously consider Bell. With Rogers, you're stuck for $7/MB above the 25MB. And that's it.

And don't forget that the Bell $60 plan now includes 30MB of tethered data. So that's 30MB of BB data, plus 30MB of tethering.....
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Wish I could help but I haven't heard any positive rumours. I'm sticking with Rogers for now. The key as I see it is to stick with high-content low-data resources (PocketdaySports and RSS reader are good examples; so is Yahoo news alerts.) Avoid excessive use of web sites with endless embedded links such as ESPN and, I'm afraid, this one in it's HTML format. 25 MB can go a long way with wise use. But it is unfortunate that we have to concern ourselves with such nonsense.
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I appreciate the feedback. I remember when the 8700r was launched there was all his hype in the office about it and when the RIM crowd showed up to showcase it all of them said that there are more edge enabled handsets to come in the near future and that our service provider (Rogers) would have big plans for Christmas in regards to data plans. Christmas came and went and here we are still with the same old pricing.

I will have to head to a Bell store and check out their BlackBerries, pricing, etc... then make an informed decison. If Rogers changes their data rates I don't think it will be for BlackBerry but maybe for wap. I'll have to ask my rep again for clarification but a month ago he said something along the lines of the $100/100MB data was bumbed to 200 or 250MB yet BlackBerry rate cards are still the same.

I guess after heading to Bell and doing some more research into what they offer I will make my decision. Until then as usual I will have to be very careful with how much data I use on my BlackBerry.
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This very issue has kept me from upgrading to an 8700r. (Althought my 7700 is on it's last legs) I think there is little incentive for Rogers to drop data rates until they have palpable expectation of nearterm competition from a CDMA version of 8700 (on Bell or Telus).

Until then I'm sure they are happy to gouge those users that crave the 8700 and data.

(This very issue also finally converted me from a lurker on the boards to a registered user)
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Old 07-20-2006, 07:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Roger$ always costs more than Bell.
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I was hovering around the 19meg mark with my 7290 and am awaiting my first 8700r bill. Same apps but I dare say much more liberal use of the opera mini!
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Wish I could help but I haven't heard any positive rumours. I'm sticking with Rogers for now. The key as I see it is to stick with high-content low-data resources (PocketdaySports and RSS reader are good examples; so is Yahoo news alerts.) Avoid excessive use of web sites with endless embedded links such as ESPN and, I'm afraid, this one in it's HTML format. 25 MB can go a long way with wise use. But it is unfortunate that we have to concern ourselves with such nonsense.
Users shouldn't have to cut corners on data usage in order to save money. Better to work with a carrier that allows you to use the data you want at an affordable price.

Additionally, there is no way to monitor your usage on Rogers. With Bell and Telus, you can visit eCare sites to check your up-to-date usage.
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Old 07-20-2006, 08:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Simply put, if you use Rogers -- you can travel the world (important for half my users), TCP/IP apps work out of the box (you don't need BES -- to my knowledge BELL does NOT have tcp/ip working in BIS/BWC), but you have that silly 25 meg 'unlimited' data cap..

on Bell -- the cap is much higher (or is it true? they simply seperated the two plans?) but without BES, how will you come close?

The simple fact is Bell is simply a method to use against Rogers when considering your account -- will you switch after being fed up with Rogers?

When will Rogers finally wake up, smell the coffee, and up their rediculous 25 meg limit?

Also, if your users travel to the USA a lot -- seriously look at the roaming rates between the two.

At present i'm mixed. With an account of 20 devices and phones, i would seriuosly consider splitting the business as they both have their drawbacks..

If you are a single user -- you need to decide what features are most important for you. For me, tcp/ip was a MUST have on my blackberry thus Rogers wins.
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It's disgusting what Roger's and all the companies pay for data usage.
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Old 07-21-2006, 03:12 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Also, if your users travel to the USA a lot -- seriously look at the roaming rates between the two.

Good point on that one. I go to the U.S. often and my data roaming is $0.01/kb which is very cheap. I use a pre paid sim card for voice calls with my Nokia phone while I am in the U.S. as its cheaper than paying the roaming rates of:

$0.95 in country calls
$1.20 incoming calls
$1.70 Calling back to Canada

Also I can pin people back home so I don't have to pay $0.40/per sms sent from the U.S.

I am glad I have an unlocked phone I can stick a pre paid sim card into as before that my voice bill for calls made in the U.S. was almost $500.00
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Wow I got worried there, when I read that Bell changed their $60 plan but I just called them and they said that I am still on the Unlimited $60 because I signed up it for before the change happened. Glad I didn't wait another 2 weeks to sign up.

Now if I could just get the shark modem to work I'd be all set........Good bye airport internet fees
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I am glad I have an unlocked phone I can stick a pre paid sim card into as before that my voice bill for calls made in the U.S. was almost $500.00
Is that an unlocked 8700r? If so, how did you get it unlocked? Thanks in advance.
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Is that an unlocked 8700r? If so, how did you get it unlocked? Thanks in advance.
No I have a seperate phone for voice and use my BlackBerry only for data now. Just an update for everyone I didn't end up going with Bell for my BlackBerry needs. Rogers Wirless now offers $100/100MB for BlackBerry data now and there's actually a bonus on right now so for $100 I get 200MB of data!! That definately is better than what I had before $60/mo for 25MB.
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Big news on the Rogers data plan. At last!
I think that I will have to go for it.
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I'm surprised their website hasn't been updated with the new information.
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Awesome!! Totally freaking awesome. Switched my data today to the
100meg/$100 plan. Sweet! but here is the kicker. Buddy in Data Support gave it to me for $85/month. ($15/month recurring credit) Made the decision that much easier! FINALLY something approaching a truly unlimited data plan from Rogers.

Sidebar: Nitty, I liked the old avatar better!
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Awesome!! Totally freaking awesome. Switched my data today to the
100meg/$100 plan. Sweet! but here is the kicker. Buddy in Data Support gave it to me for $85/month. ($15/month recurring credit) Made the decision that much easier! FINALLY something approaching a truly unlimited data plan from Rogers.

Sidebar: Nitty, I liked the old avatar better!

For $85 that's a sweet deal!! Did they give you the bonus of 200MB? The woman I spoke to told me that it's $100 for 200MB as their newest data promotion and it's available for BlackBerry, Treo and other devices.

Avatar wise I got bored of the old one so I opted to change it. Maybe I'll change it more often now I haven't decided. My BlackBerry tells me what to do so I'll have to ask it
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He mentioned nothing at all about any 200meg promo. Is that in perpetuity or for just like 3 months? What ever it is, it's clear that they seem to have the ability to make a few deals at their own discretion.
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