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Old 08-26-2006, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone actually tried Windows Push email? Iv been so tempted to switch to another phone. I lovee my Blackberry but I miss features such as a camera, ability to run windows applications, slingbox, etc.....

So has anyone tried windows push email if so how does it compare to a Blackberry?
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I've heard that it isn't really push at all. Its more like a constant pull. Really kills the battery on pocket PC's.
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If you miss features you list, like running windows apps, just get yourself device running Windows mobile. It's OK, we are not a cult here.
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i have used a treo 700w on an exch server with the "push" technology.....it's ok. I have to tell you that the battery on the treo did not last me till 5pm. i took it off the charger at 7am, and by 5pm the phone was DEAD, not low, but DEAD! as for the email sync it's ok, but it is surely slower than my BES connection. just my 0.02

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If you like WinMo and don't need the security features of BB (or if you do and you have access to Good's solution) then by all means, WinMo 5 with Direct Push does provide pretty decent push email and a whole lot more (good and bad).
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Until Exchange 2003 SP2 and WinMo5 came out there really wasn't a push like technology. I've used it in testing, and it works great. The security features are not quite the same, Blackberry provides great device control via the IT policies. RIM already recognizes that Exchange+WinMo5 was going to achieve similar push functionality hence RIM's big campaign about "beyond e-mail + PIM"
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I was using a 700w with push enabled for a bit. It does drain the battery even more than a normal 700w does but I could live with it. I found the MS push unreliable. Sometimes emails would show up instantly and sometimes they wouldn't. It was just to hit and miss for me.
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We have quite a few people in my company using WM 5.0 and push. I have found it to be buggy. It seems to just quit working after a while. Then you have to reset or even master reset the device and start all over. Another thing I don't like about it is that since it uses owa and if you have a tight password reset policy it can cause issues. We start alerting our people 10 days before their password expires. Once that starts as it causes a pop up, Push email quits because it can't sync as when it connects it doesn't know what to do with the pop ups. Very frustrating. Don't have that issue with BB because it doesn't require user credentials.

Not to mention, just to set things straight, it isn't push. It just appears like it. The device is making a connection to your owa server and creates a heartbeat connection. Also, Microsoft stated at Tech Ed that the overhead just for the "heartbeat" is 1mb a month. That is a lot, in the wireless world.
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wow
I dont think its worth switching to microsofts "push email".
Thanks for the input everyone
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to be honest, I wish i could get a more frequent pull from my OWA than 15 minutes. I cant forward because IT has disabled that feature...any suggestions??
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The MS Push is not a "15 minute" poke and pop solution. Mail, and other changes, are pushed immediately to the device.
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That's because there's no NOC which you pay a premium for with the blackberry. Also you have to pay Client Access licenses on top of your existing infrastructure

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We have quite a few people in my company using WM 5.0 and push. I have found it to be buggy. It seems to just quit working after a while. Then you have to reset or even master reset the device and start all over. Another thing I don't like about it is that since it uses owa and if you have a tight password reset policy it can cause issues. We start alerting our people 10 days before their password expires. Once that starts as it causes a pop up, Push email quits because it can't sync as when it connects it doesn't know what to do with the pop ups. Very frustrating. Don't have that issue with BB because it doesn't require user credentials.

Not to mention, just to set things straight, it isn't push. It just appears like it. The device is making a connection to your owa server and creates a heartbeat connection. Also, Microsoft stated at Tech Ed that the overhead just for the "heartbeat" is 1mb a month. That is a lot, in the wireless world.
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I found push email on WM5 generally worked pretty well, but I don't like how restrictive Exchange is with stuff like what email address you send from. You can only send from the email address set in your Exchange profile and that's it. Emails generally arrived quickly, within a minute, and PIM changes went through just about as fast. And it seemed more battery friendly than the previous SMS-initiated sync that versions of WM prior to WM5 AKU2 used.

I truly miss PIM sync and the lack of a truly cost-effective and simple solution to that for individual BB users is one of the bigger downsides of BB. The BB advantages definitely outweigh the disadvantages, and I won't give up my 8700g for another MDA, but I hate manually syncing stuff. It just seems so out-of-date now after using wireless PIM sync.

But back to email, the BlackBerry generally works better but WM5 AKU2 with Exchange 2003 SP2 is a reasonable contender in my experience. I'd still take a BB over any WM device though.
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never used it but i heard that its set up to pull every certain amout of time depending on what you set it as
i love my bb push mail
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80% of the people I work with use Treo's, because they don't really have a choice. They need certain apps that are not yet compatible with the Blackberry platform. But when it comes to email, they are all jealouse of me.
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Surely if RIM offered OTA sync with Outlook it would be game, set and match to BB. Is this doable?
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Surely if RIM offered OTA sync with Outlook it would be game, set and match to BB. Is this doable?
If I'm not mistaken, it's already being offered by 3rd parties for about $19 a month. If you are on a BES it may not cost you a thing...
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Agreed. But this thread's about BB v WM5, whose pitch is to offer push email to consumers/prosumers, who could presently be on BIS.

Hosted BES is great, but it means more money, another link in the chain, and giving up local control of your PIM data.

I'm not asking for full BES in a box, I'm just suggesting OTA sync with my local Outlook data store. For many BIS users that would square the circle and head off possible migration to WM5 once it stabilises - which it will.

Just my 0.02.
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so wait....is there a way to pull my email quicker than every 15 minutes from OWA...barring auto forward
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so wait....is there a way to pull my email quicker than every 15 minutes from OWA...barring auto forward
If you have windows mobile 5 on the device, The latest Microsoft Security and Feature pack and Exchange SP2. But I thought the minimum pull was every 5 minutes anyway.
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