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Old 09-19-2006, 08:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am looking into getting a blackberry this Sunday. I am college student and play football and am also in a band (pretty busy scheldule, always on the go it seems like). I have 3 e-mail accounts right now and I like to have my calender with events on it in front of me (I put all my events and classes on the calender in Outlook). My dad has a blackberry and I've played around with it and like it.

Right now I have Cingular and want to stay with them (I can call all my friends for free). I know they have the 7130c and 8700c. Here are my questions:

1. Why do the cingular sales rep keep telling me that I don't want to get a blackberry? (They keep saying "You only want one if you have multipule e-mail acconts". Then I tell them I have 3 and they can't come up with any other reasons I would not want one and try to show me other phones.)

2. Can I sync my outlook calender with my blackberry as is or do I have to get other software for my blackberry or is there better software to do want I am wanting to do? Will BIS service be alright? I have outlook 2003.

3. I have read in the forum how different things on the different blackberrys are suppose to be allowed (according to RIM) and cingular blocks them. Is there a true list some where out there that stats the exact things allowed by cingular's different blackberrys? I'm talking about tethered modem, picture viewing, messageing (SMS, MMS), etc. I was leaning toward the 8700c mostly becuase it has the full keyboard but, I might want to be able to tether and get MMS messages, which I don't think the 8700c can do. (Cingular's web site is to helpful and there is only one store arround me that is helpful on the whole selling me a blackberry thing and I havn't be able to get in and ask that question?

4. What is APN and WAP?

5. What other cingular phones besides a blackberry can do what I am looking for?

Any other advise would be much helpful and thankful for.

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Old 09-19-2006, 08:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. 99% of CSR's have no clue what they're talking about. The other 1% come here. That's why.

2. You'll be fine. Yes.

3. There's no list, but IMing and MMS messaging are two that frustrate the majority of people. You can IM, but it's a work-around. There's no proprietary IM client. You can view pictures just fine with Cingular service.

4. Other popular choices are going to be a Treo and other WM5 devices. However, you originally state that you want something for e-mail, and BBs are going to win that every time. If camera phones, etc. are what interest you, you probably aren't going to like it.

Or, you can wait until Cingular releases their version of the 8100 later this year.
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4. What is APN and WAP?

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APN - Access Point Name
Used when connecting to GPRS a way of creating the connection with the network determining which gives the device specifying the APN access to a certain service or network.

To use Blackberry your service provider will have to provision the Blackberry.net APN to your number. If you plan to use your Blackberry (if you get one) as a tethered modem you will also need to specify an APN that gives you access to the general internet there is a comprehensive guide in the stickys at the top of this forum

WAP - Wireless Application Protocol
Wap browsers on devices connect to your providers WAP network it's a way of browsing 'the internet' which is actually a network of sites created for mobile devices. Customers using the BIS version of Blackberry can usually only browse using WAP.
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1. Pizzle's right. Sales reps are rarely knowledgeable enough on all their product offerings to really make these sorts of recommendations -- especially not to find a solution that truly fits your specific needs.

2. You just need Desktop Manager and Intellisync (included on CD or you can download from RIM).

3. Picture viewing's not an issue. IM'ing isn't really an issue except for those people out there who can't or won't install and set up an IM client but there's plenty of information out there on various options with regard to IM. Tethering is possible but the only way to reliably tether is to subscribe to Cingular's tethering plan (about $70 for this data plan, IIRC).
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Honestly, if you're a college student, you may want to try a PPC. The 8125 is what I use with Cingular and it is not a bad device. Blackberrys are more for business users that receive a lot of email. If your in college and want access to your email and to PDA functions, the PPC is a great way to go. the PDA functions are much better and user friendly. Not to mention that for a college student, Word and Excel are included out of the box. Also, with your schedule, always being busy, you may want to add attachments. You cant with blackberrys without getting extra products such as eOffice. with PPCs you can right out of the box, no extra software needed. Give the different devices both a shot. you should be pleased.
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Thanks for the info.

I guess I should have stated that I have a volunteer job that just about everyone has a blackberrys and would make it easier to talk to through PIN messageing. Opening up attachments is not a huge deal, all my professiors put those kinds of files (word, excel, powerpoint, etc.) on blackboard anyway.

I have become use to the fairly easy use of the blackberry, is the 8125 just as easy? I have seen it just not messed around with. Although I have not really looked yet, is there a forum or web site that has more info on the 8125? (once again cingular's web site is not too helpful.)

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Customers using the BIS version of Blackberry can usually only browse using WAP.
Does usually mean that always or one of those cingular mess-ups?

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The differentiation with the BlackBerry is to understand what the device and service is capable of (and not capable of!). If the number of threads on this site are any indication, people are either not researching this prior to the trial period or are simplying handed a BlackBerry from their employer (possibly without an option for a different device). It sound like neither of these cases apply to you. You are actually pretty informed.

The Gecko speaks some good truths. One of the problems with the PDAs running Windows, is many of them like the 8125 appear to be running 200Mhz CPUs which yield sluggish operation as reported on the forums. I prefer WM or PPC devices with >400Mhz CPUs.

The 312Mhz CPU in the BlackBerry 8700 screams. It's a good performer for the current 4.x O/Ss running on the currently shipping handhelds. It's much better than the CPUs in the 7230/7290/7510/7520/etc handhelds.

Like I mentioned, just read through a few pages of the forums. It's filled with thread upon thread of people wanting the BB to either do something it can't or something it wasn't easily designed to do (especially for a novice). I imagine any sales rep working at a wireless store deals more with the general public (read private consumers) than with business customers. I'm sure the reaction from the general public to the BlackBerry have been one of inadequate functionality. I'm sure the rep is just trying to alleviate you (based in his past experience with the general public) of a possible non-postive experience of the BlackBerry. That's probably why he/she was steering you onto other PDA phones. I see where he's coming from. But you seem to understand where you are coming from. That is the more important of the two for you. Go for the device! You'll probably like it.

Truth be told, for what I need that the BlackBerry can't do, another PDA phone can't really do it much better (save for RDP, ICA(maybe?), ssh, or http web in a few cases). so I'm still stuck with a notebook computer as backup. Which isn't bad. I've never found a PDA (let alone PDA-Phone) to be a true notebook computer replacement. The Hewlett-Packard Jornada 720 came close at one point. (It ran a version of Windows CE called HPC2000 I believe). It was a palmtop computer.

The BlackBerry with the included Desktop Manager software is capable of synchronizing Address book / calendar / todo list with Outlook 2003. Desktop Manager is dead simple to use. It requires a USB connection with your Outlook 2003 computer. You won't have problems with it. But it won't be "over the air" OTA. You need a BES server for that. But email with still be pushed or OTA in your case. This is really ideal for you. You don't really need external BES or Exchange Server hosting to accomplish what you want.

Other phones to look at would some some of the SonyEricsson (SE) line-up. SE has synchronization software that synchronizes with outlook 2003. My wife uses her SE z520a phone as a little blackberry. She gets desktop manager -like synchronization with Outlook 2003 and she uses SMS/MMS text messaging as a form of push email (even though it isn't the same). People know if they need to reach her ASAp to either call or send a txt to (phonenumber) @cingular email address. I'm not suggesting this sort of thing for you, but you might at least look at the SE current lineup. There are some interesting phones there. EVen if none of them are BlackBerries.

If you need Word/Excel/ etc, and aren't tied to a BB by your company, the Windows Mobile or Windows Smartphone devices are worth looking at.

As far as tethering goes. It's one of those "undocumented features." The carrier isn't going to support you with technical support unless you pony up for a wireless dataconnect card for a notebook computer, and/or the corresponding notebook dataconnect plan ($50-80/mo). So if you can geth tethering to work on your own (as many have) GREAT! If not, it won't be easy. But you seem savvy enough, so you'll likely get tethering to work.

Do I think the carriers will defeat the ability to tether from phones or PDA-phones? Doubtfull. Eventually they will cave to martketing pressures and offer this as an official feature. The market seems to be heading towards your mobile phone being the digital hub for your life. This will include voice/data/tethered wireless for your other devices/music player/BlackBerry PIM and email/etc. We'll slowly heading down that path. Look at all of the convergence devices. Pretty soon we might not need land lines, cable/dsl modems/iPods, etc for casual, normal use.
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