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Old 02-07-2007, 09:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello ladies and Gents,

I have been using a BB for several years and Love it and am glad I found the forums. Here is my issue, I started a new job about 8 months ago and have been carrying my personal BB. I was informed a couple days ago that if I wanted to keep using my BB at work I would have to attach to their BES. I asked if the company was going to pay for my service. I have yet to receive any reasoning for this. I use my BB for personal things just as many use their cellphone. i do not wish to have the restriction of their IT Policy on my device. If I were using it for company related work I could see the reasoning but I use it only for my personal life. If the company wants me attached to their server should they not provide a device? are they restricting ordinary cellphone users NO. just venting! I will probably just put sim into my old V330 while at work. What do ya'll think
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Wow, sounds a little wierd!! Are you carrying a Pearl? My only thought would be they want to limit the use of the SD card slot, but even that's a stretch...how restrictive are the policies? It may just be easier for you to conform to BIG BROTHER if the policies are not too bad....and I would force the issue of paying at least for the BB svc seeing your data usage will increase by being on the BES...

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Hello ladies and Gents,

I have been using a BB for several years and Love it and am glad I found the forums. Here is my issue, I started a new job about 8 months ago and have been carrying my personal BB. I was informed a couple days ago that if I wanted to keep using my BB at work I would have to attach to their BES. I asked if the company was going to pay for my service. I have yet to receive any reasoning for this. I use my BB for personal things just as many use their cellphone. i do not wish to have the restriction of their IT Policy on my device. If I were using it for company related work I could see the reasoning but I use it only for my personal life. If the company wants me attached to their server should they not provide a device? are they restricting ordinary cellphone users NO. just venting! I will probably just put sim into my old V330 while at work. What do ya'll think
I think your company has policies, and no matter how absurd they are, you need to follow them in order to keep your job.

If you're not happy with the policy, then quit and find a new job.

They can't make you do anything with your Blackberry that you don't want them to do.
They also don't need to keep you employed if you fail to follow their procedures.

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If this concerns you, you should carry two devices. The company has the right to push their IT Policy onto any device connected to their network and carrying their data and intellectual property. This is one key reason why we do not allow personal/private BlackBerrys to connect to our BES environment anywhere.

RIM prides itself on providing a security e-mail environment.

I don't think you will get much or support sympathy here. Just my .02
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That is a problem for you. Let me ask this, would your employer allow you to bring your personal laptop each day and set it up to use for personal activity? Pretty much the same problem, but I can see your frustration. I recently had an employee who was bringing his laptop to our office each day using it off and on between our projects, and that was not a problem at first. I finally had to ask him to quit bringing it, as it was taking too much time away from my work and what I was paying him to do. He crossed the fine line between OK and TOO MUCH. On the other hand, I have another employee who has asked me in advance, could she bring her personal laptop every couple of weeks to plug into our network to update virus scanners, OS, etc. I told her I would allow it as long as I could see that her virus def's were uptodate, etc., to protect our system. And that has worked.

I guess you have to consider how much the job is worth to you. As an employer, I can see their point, they are writing the check for your time. A personal phone call is one thing on a cell phone, e-mails during the day that take away from your work is another. Some large corps do ban all personal cell phones, by the way.
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If this concerns you, you should carry two devices. The company has the right to push their IT Policy onto any device connected to their network and carrying their data and intellectual property. This is one key reason why we do not allow personal/private BlackBerrys to connect to our BES environment anywhere.

RIM prides itself on providing a security e-mail environment.

I don't think you will get much or support sympathy here. Just my .02
Yes I agree but it isnt attached to their service nor is it used for work no company data no company intellectual property and I agree I will probably just use 2 devices. Im not lookin for sympathy just frustrated that they are trying to force this on my personal service and device. I know the perspective of the Admin guys here and repect it and mostly agree.
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Just a note I receive my email but only check it at lunch or while I am sending a "fax" in the bathroom. as far as actual phone calls what are those. Yes some companies do ban cell phones not a bad idea i think sometimes. I think if they would just give me the logical reason as to why and explain it to me I would definitely be mors acceptable but so far no reasoning has been given. also why suddenly after 8 months?
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Yes I agree but it isnt attached to their service nor is it used for work no company data no company intellectual property and I agree I will probably just use 2 devices. Im not lookin for sympathy just frustrated that they are trying to force this on my personal service and device. I know the perspective of the Admin guys here and repect it and mostly agree.
I can understand the policy if you were putting company email on the device, but if it is your own personal device with your personal email, I don't see how they can enforce that. It would be like them telling you that you cannot have your own personal mobile phone!

I agree with the others, I would just carry 2 devices; one for work and one for email.
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I can understand the policy if you were putting company email on the device, but if it is your own personal device with your personal email, I don't see how they can enforce that. It would be like them telling you that you cannot have your own personal mobile phone!

I agree with the others, I would just carry 2 devices; one for work and one for email.
The employer can say NO personal mobile phones. There are many that do this.

EZRUNNER, while I don't know their reason, obviously, they have one somewhere, and they may never state out loud to you their real reason (nor do they really have to?). That is why I believe you have to walk a fine line on this. Use your judgment to do what you know is right within the bounds of keeping your job.
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I will keep job it is wonderful. I am mostly venting, most of us need to when change happens especially when the change isnt understood.
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I'm glad I work in the UK - we generally seem to be a bit more liberal that some of your more 'control freak' US companies.. As a sysadmin I can't see why you can't bring a personal BB into work provided that you don't try and connect to any work computer, nor from a business perspective spend so much time emailling and IMing that your productivity takes a hit..

As to banning personal cellphones, I'm only aware of this being the case in: -
a) Large Call Centres
b) Millitary, Goverment of other 'sensitive' organisations
c) Where the BB or cellphone may interfere with other equipment - hospitals, labs etc..

If you're not one of a-c then I think you're pretty out of luck.
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I will keep job it is wonderful. I am mostly venting, most of us need to when change happens especially when the change isnt understood.
First, is your supervisor aware that you're never attaching to the company network?

Second, does your company have a "no USB devices allowed" policy? If so, that may be their rationale, since the Pearl can in fact be used as a memory stick.

And have you spoken to your HR people? You may get a reason, at least, if you speak to someone besides IT folks (we tend to be an uncompromising bunch).

Good luck!
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Hello ladies and Gents,

I have been using a BB for several years and Love it and am glad I found the forums. Here is my issue, I started a new job about 8 months ago and have been carrying my personal BB. I was informed a couple days ago that if I wanted to keep using my BB at work I would have to attach to their BES. I asked if the company was going to pay for my service. I have yet to receive any reasoning for this. I use my BB for personal things just as many use their cellphone. i do not wish to have the restriction of their IT Policy on my device. If I were using it for company related work I could see the reasoning but I use it only for my personal life. If the company wants me attached to their server should they not provide a device? are they restricting ordinary cellphone users NO. just venting! I will probably just put sim into my old V330 while at work. What do ya'll think

Thanks crazy! It's your personal device and has nothing to do with work? I would fight that. What reason did they give you? Mind you if they are gonna pay for your phone bill every month...say $90 a month I may do it...BUT point is it's your personal BB and they want to control something personal of yours. It's like saying you can't drive your car to work and you must buy another one? Crazy....
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I use a 7230 so it doesnt act as a memory stick.
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None of us work for your company.
None of us made the policies or even had any input into making them.
None of us are even remotely familiar with how your company policies are enforced.

This topic can go nowhere.
Go talk to your boss, or your HR department, or your employment attorney.
Venting is one thing ... but now you're just fishing for answers that no one here can give.
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Venting is one thing ... but now you're just fishing for answers that no one here can give.
He's not looking for an answer, he was asking for opinions, and that is what we are giving him.
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my 2 cents,

yes it is kind of similar to one bringing a laptop to the office and using it for personal time and so on, BUT ITS NOT THE EXACT SAME> A blackberry or any other PDA is classified in our society as a cell phone. If your company chooses to restrict your use of your personal device (which they can definitely do) they would need to enforce this among all cell phone users. Meaning everyone else sitting in the cube next to you who might send a text message, take a personal call on their phone, or surf the wap web on their phone would have to also be sanctioned.

good luck, and i am glad my company doesn't have this policy, we would all be looking for new jobs here!

thanks!
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Penguin, lighten up. If he WAS connecting to his Corp email system, then they would have a point. If they were restricting cell phone use at work, then that "would be that", as the saying goes..but they're not. Neither situation is true in this case.

This is one persons report and post of HIS issues, and doesn't need judgement from you, or anyone else, as to why he keeps posting.

This thread, like all the ones we've all been involved in, is as valid as anyone else's thread.

He wants to vent...he can vent, unless the mods lock the thread. Don't like it? Don't read it or post in this thread anymore.


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I will keep job it is wonderful. I am mostly venting, most of us need to when change happens especially when the change isnt understood.
If I were you, I would just bring 2 phones with me. I would bring the non-bb or whichever they allow me to bring to work. During the lunch time, I switch the sim card and use the BB OUTSIDE of the office buildings. I don't see how they can restrict you using BB during your personal time-off (lunch hr) outside of office.
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Thanks for allowing me to Vent. As somoen said I was fishing after a post go up a couple someone asked if I was using a Pearl which has SD capability so I just put it out there that I had a 7230, however this is all irrelavent as I have found out the reasoning after a long day of bouncing from office to office to find and answer, when i got a call at my desk. i was asked if i had been post on BBF (my jaw dropped....what a small world) within 5 minutes my boss his boss and our head IT guy are in my office. apparently while at lunch sometime ago a couple co-workers saw me using the net on my BB. They in turn went to inquire why I had it on my BB and they did not. Hence I needed to have mine put on BES. (co-workers had company provided equipment) fast forwar a bit after a bit of an ass chewing by my boss and his boss the IT guy asks " can I see your BB?" so I pulled it out (the BB) his eyes got wide He said in a loud stern voice " that isn't our euipment! We only have 8700's!"

so situation resolved and yes my boss and his boss had to apologize that was weird. Got to talk with IT guy some too which may benefit me as we talked mostly BB.
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