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Old 02-24-2007, 01:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Maybe they downloaded desktop manager on their server and it 'exploded'.... Sorry I could not resist... My avatar made me do it....

my Avatar made me do it ! LMAO

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Old 02-24-2007, 02:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 02-24-2007, 02:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Maybe they downloaded desktop manager on their server and it 'exploded'.... Sorry I could not resist... My avatar made me do it....
Hey LunkHead..... thanks for the laughs !

Oh and by the way.... my avatar has the pictures.....

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Old 02-24-2007, 03:42 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't mind discussions of that nature, I am in no way a dictator, so as long as it follows the forum rules, its free to be discussed, even if its regarding a website that blatantly copied my hard work, I am not however upset with them about that.. I am upset with them that the owner decided to post private emails publicly.

How low can you go?
Words from the top of the mountain.

I got banned from Pinstack for helping out a Member in distress by posting some BBF info [with credit and link]. PinStack said I violated copyright laws and PinStack rules by pasting info from BBF into a PinStack post.

It did not matter that I gave credit to BBF nor that I was trying to help someone whose Pearl had crashed in the wee hours of the night. [at the time there was a rivalry between the two sites about which I was unaware].

So PinStack [and a sidekick] were mad that I pasted BBF material on the site, a supposed rule violation. Also, the author of the material I pasted and linked to [some used car salesman in the Midwest] was pushing for the ban.

In any event, I find it most interesting to learn about the details disclosed herein. I find it ironic that the Pinstack owner accused me of copyright violations when in fact it sounds like the pot was calling the kettle black, so to speak.

Also, I noted that after I provided him extensive material on copyright law and showed him why posting forum material is not subject to copyright protection, that he changed his position to say it was not a copyright issue, but just a violation of Pinstack rules to not post [BBF material].

Wish I was your counsel at the time PinStack was founded. May have been able to get them shut down pretty damn quick. [For starters, just on their use of BlackBerryForums in the domain name.]

But I know what you mean, we all have better things to do than to get embroiled in lawsuits. Many businesses who should know better have copied aspects of my website, but the violations are subtle and not enough to prove significant damage. So I have not even sent stern letters. Why bother.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Your posts were most enjoyable to read five months post ban and before going on my bike ride. There will be a little more spring in my pedal now.

Bonus Comment: I hope PinStack ..... oh never mind.

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Old 02-24-2007, 05:04 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I got banned from Pinstack for helping out a Member in distress by posting some BBF info [with credit and link]. PinStack said I violated copyright laws and PinStack rules by pasting info from BBF into a PinStack post.
Almost exactly the same here -- I wasn't banned, but I cross linked a thread between the forums while attempting to help a poor user in need out. Within an hour my post was edited to remove all BBF content, I was pointed at the ToS where this was not allowed and asked not to do it again (politely). I chose never to visit the forum again and removed all possible footsteps from my account there.

Who lost? That person who needed the help. :(
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:34 AM   #26 (permalink)
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i guess i saw this when it happened.
i saw the link to this forum from the other.
the next day it was gone.
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:50 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/107)

Wow.That is pretty low.
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:57 AM   #28 (permalink)
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i guess i saw this when it happened.
i saw the link to this forum from the other.
the next day it was gone.
Yes, PinStack is very quick in ridding their Forum of BBF litter.

Funny thing is that I know their senior and key members are also members of BBF. So their conduct is hypocritical.

It's kind of pathetic too. It's almost as if someone monitors every post 24 hours a day to see if "BBF" or "BlackBerry Forums" shows up in any post, they then zero in on such and delete or edit the post with deliberate speed. Maybe they have some kind of automatic scanner that sends out alerts to the mods who then spring into action.

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Old 02-25-2007, 03:22 AM   #29 (permalink)
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In all honesty who truly cares about pinstack? It's a rip off of BlackBerry.com and it's more of a social site where stackers can all pin one another. The majority of all content is from this forum. Hayden is juvenile and cried about things at this forum as well as howard forums and who knows what other forums he made a stink at. Bottom line is his site and him personally always get pwned. So in the spirit of this let me just post this link for the masses here and for the founder of pinstack:

Aninote.com - Hayden James just got OWNED!

Hopefully the mods here won't ban me for this.


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Old 02-25-2007, 03:26 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I think the aim of a forum is too help people, to comment and solve problems, to show new things, etc etc TO SHARE !!!!

So if a forum erases all information coming from here, does that help to its members?

IT sounds pretty funny but: "If you are in Pinstack forum bring only your own and personal information. We dont like things from outter space" Nice way to learn....
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:06 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Currently pinstack is down - I think this is a problem with their hoster rather than the domain itself (but the domain is also set to expire by 2007-07-25)
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Old 02-25-2007, 11:56 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I am a member of the mod team of Pinstack. I want to clarify a few things.

If you visit pinstack forums you will not find any negative remarks about BBF or any other BlackBerry forum on web. We feel we are all in the BB Community.

Pinstack has many, many members that are high in the BB Community, as for myself who holds a position that is quite credible. My point is Pinstack does not need to steal information from any other forum, but there are times when we are not the first to "break the news" and we legally give credit to those that deserve it.

You will find all BB forums on the web have the same information, so blaming Pinstack for stealing information is slightly misleading. Can we blame all BB sites on the web for stealing "your information" as well?

Pinstack chooses to participate in the BB Community, helping other BB users learn and grow. We are not biased, we are very friendly, and welcome all members, whether they are new to a forum, or belong to BBF or any other BB forum.

The reason I am a member of pinstack is for a few reasons. The mod team and all members were very welcoming when I first joined. I was not laughed at for being a newbie, nor was I forced to search for my information, it was readily available for me at my request. After 1 year of being a member I am now a BB Professional and I feel it is all because of the forum I chose.

I browse BBF and many other BB websites daily, as Im sure many of the members of Pinstack do. Obviously as do the members of BBF.

I cant speak for the admin of Pinstack, but I have known him for a long time and he does not seem to share the same feelings about this forum as you do for him, neither do I. I feel your opinions are because you are not knowledgeable of who we are at Pinstack. At Pinstack we do not judge anyone, we only have opinions based on fact.

As for why Pinstack was down for about 24 hours...

All websites have maintenance, and we were doing just that. I wont go into details as it is not necessary, but Pinstack is definitely here to stay...

I recognize many of you as Pinstack members, and I am glad our usernames are still active here on BBF. Please take this information I have given you as maybe a fresh start to your thoughts about Pinstack. Again, we do not flame your forums, talk badly about who you are, and we just ask for the same from you.

If any of you have any questions our door is always open.

Good day.

Edit: After reading of few of the new posts in this thread the information that is being fed to you is absolutely absurd. I edit and delete posts each minute, and can assure you there are reasons far beyond just having a link to BBF in a post. We delete content for many reasons, not because it has links to BBF. (Also, please show me the links to Pinstack on your forums) Please read throught the new posts today at Pinstack and you will see links to many forums. I personally have links saved to your forum and distribute the information daily, with respect to those that created the information.

I urge the ignorant attitudes to stop, mods of this forum should be wise enough to close this thread, or insist that your members have a better attitude. Maybe that is what differentiates Pinstack from all other forums?

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as for myself who holds a position that many of you would love to have.
So you joined BBF and used the 1st post just to insult my job and profession?

Thanks for the concern about my job, but i kinda like the one I have....
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Old 02-25-2007, 12:05 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Been a member since June '06. I have used your forums for information as I stated above. None of my information above was meant to be negative, so as a decent person respecting you and you forum I have changed the wording. Thanks for quoting that and sory you misread and thought I meant you, now please ponder the rest of the information and understand exactly what the meaning of the post was...

Oh, and FYI, I had about 50-100 posts but they were all deleted about 6 months ago...

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Dude, no need to edit the post for lil ol me... I have thick skin and it *usually* takes a whole lot more than snide remarks to get under said skin...
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The reason I am a member of pinstack is for a few reasons. The mod team and all members were very welcoming when I first joined. I was not laughed at for being a newbie, nor was I forced to search for my information, it was readily available for me at my request.
Ponder what? That you are attacking the Mods here, who do an awesome job and IMHO are very helpful? Ponder that the statement infers that the posters here laugh at people and do not help?

Ok, I pondered and believe you are wrong... But that's just my opinion and a stoooooooopid police officer who only wants the job you have

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Old 02-25-2007, 12:32 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Oh, and FYI, I had about 50-100 posts but they were all deleted about 6 months ago...
Since I am the only administrator on this site that has the ability to remove a users entire post count, I would have to call you on this, since its a impossiblity. If for any reason I wanted your posts to be removed or discredited, your account would have totally been removed or banned.

You obviously have not been part of the pinstack world during the times there was animosity between haiden and myself. This animosity was created by Haiden, not myself. I offered to purchase his site, and at first he showed strong interests, and then he decided not to. Since I knew the site could not be acquired, I asked Hayden to remove traces of the blackberryforums name, since he was using this as a advantage in search engine results (Using this websites popularity to gain his own), and he chose to post all of our private email conversation, online on his website. This is where any sort of animosity came from.

In regards to pinstack links on this site? Maybe you should search and see for yourself? Nobody here goes out of their way searching and deleting pinstack links. We simply do not care, as we know pinstack will never get to where BlackBerryForums has gone.. after all, our forums are not called pinstack.blackberryforums.com... are they?
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Old 02-25-2007, 01:05 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I've been a BES Admin for almost 3 years. I started out my online knowledge at pinstack, and then also tried howardforums.

As soon as I found out about BlackberryForums I never looked back. This site is much easier to navigate, and the majority of users come across (to me anyway) as more knowledgeable.

As for the comment made a few posts back about people being told to search - there isn't anything wrong with asking members to search for their answers. People tend to remember the answer to their question much better if they find it themselves, rather than have it handed to them. I have posted many answers here to help people, and have also asked many questions - and been helped out every time.

Keep up the great work - Guess and all the mods - your hard work is very much appreciated.
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Well said, and I agree! I usually provide a link to the answer because, IMHO, it's better than telling people to search... Plus, they not only get the search hint, but also get their answer....

I found it rather rude to come here with his 1st post and insult the Mod's and the long time posters who try to help out...

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I've been a BES Admin for almost 3 years. I started out my online knowledge at pinstack, and then also tried howardforums.

As soon as I found out about BlackberryForums I never looked back. This site is much easier to navigate, and the majority of users come across (to me anyway) as more knowledgeable.

As for the comment made a few posts back about people being told to search - there isn't anything wrong with asking members to search for their answers. People tend to remember the answer to their question much better if they find it themselves, rather than have it handed to them. I have posted many answers here to help people, and have also asked many questions - and been helped out every time.

Keep up the great work - Guess and all the mods - your hard work is very much appreciated.
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I asked Hayden to remove traces of the blackberryforums name, since he was using this as a advantage in search engine results (Using this websites popularity to gain his own), and he chose to post all of our private email conversation, online on his website. This is where any sort of animosity came from.
I think the Pinstack owner's actions speaks volumes about Pinstack.

Here in California putting BBF in the domain name is actionable, and depending on intent, could be a crime.

I am aware of a few cases where people have stolen others website names by adding them to their own domain names. The people were prosecuted and convicted. They also were sued.

While I don't know all the details, seems to me intentionally registering BBF in the domain name indicates a lack of integrity, and in my opinion, malicious intent.

And IMHO as to posting private e-mails, that's not surprising from someone who may have ripped off another's domain name.
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