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Old 04-01-2007, 07:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey gang, recently found this forum - a lot of good info!

I've been thinking about getting a BB for a few months now and really like the 8800/8300 series. I'm currently a Verizon customer and have been thinking of switching to Cingular to get one of the newer models. I'm not sure what I should do considering the rumors of a new device going to Verizon in the next few months.

Network aside, is there any reason to switch to Cingular for BB devices rather than simply wait for Verizon? I know VZ has a tendency to lock their phones down but unsure if it negatively affects the BB's.

Thanks in advance!

PS - I've already tried to do a few searches on this and couldn't really find anything that directly answers this question.

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Old 04-01-2007, 08:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a Cingular BB 8700 and a Verizon cell phone and data card. I think coverages are close tot he same, bit there are places where I travel in the northeast that Verizon works and Cingular doesn't.

My BIS Unlimited dataplan is $29.99 a month and 750 minutes (with rollover) is about $60 a month. My total monthly bill is $95-97. Not sure what Verizon charges bor BB unlimited so that would be something to check out.

Also, keep in mind the 83xx is still a rumored device and has not been announced by RIM or any of the carriers as far as I know. The 8800 is available on Cingular now, the 8820 is due out on T-Mobile sometime within the next couple of months I guess. I don't know when it will be released on Verizon. I have seen on some of the forums that it could be in the next 6 months or so.

As for "locking down" the phone, I do not understand what you mean. Verizon uses CDMA technology so only a Verizon branded phone will operate on their network Sprint has a similar policy. The GSM carriers do not. An unlocked GSM phone should work well on either Cingular or T-Mobile.

If you mean locking applications, all the carriers do that in some fashion.

I guess it depends on how soon you need to make the jump.
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I understand what you mean by VZN locking down the phone so I will answer that first. I just recently switched from VZN to CW and so far in the Atlanta area have not noticed any difference in coverage. With Verizon, your phone # is tied to the phone so if you want to change phones you have to deactivate your phone and activate the new one so not only can you only have one phone but this costs $$ each time.

With Cingular, your # is tied to the SIM card so technically you could use a BB during the week and then pop your SIM card into a Razor for the weekend or for just going out. Now remember that with a BB your voice is with the SIM card but your data and email is setup via a Web Client which has gotten MUCH easier these days. I assume you are going to use BIS (personal) and not BES.

Having had a BB with Verizon and Cingular I am not bothered by the EDGE network. I was worried that going from the EV-DO to EDGE would cost me some major time in browsing but IMO it seems the BB are not designed for web browsing primarily and therefore don't really take advantage of the faster speeds.

I am using an 8800 with Cingular and have been happy with the service but a bit annoyed with the slightly creaky sides of the BB 8800. This is VERY surprising as BB is known for very stable hardware and OS.

I am on an $80 voice plan with 1,350 minutes and got a 1,000 text/unlimited data plan for $40. I think the unlimited BB data plan is $30.

I am a device guy so this is the major reason I switched to Cingular. In the future when a new device is released, BB or not, I like the fact that I can use it if I want to and not have to activate/deactivate my phone.

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I'm currently a Verizon customer and have been thinking of switching to Cingular to get one of the newer models. I'm not sure what I should do considering the rumors of a new device going to Verizon in the next few months.

Network aside, is there any reason to switch to Cingular for BB devices rather than simply wait for Verizon? I know VZ has a tendency to lock their phones down but unsure if it negatively affects the BB's.
It's generally not a good idea to switch carriers based on a particular device. However, the CDMA carriers have always been really slow to get newer Blackberries. Additionally, as you've said, Verizon does have a nasty tendency to cripple devices that they release. Yes, this has affected their Blackberries as well. Ask anyone who owns a VZW 8703e about the built-in GPS...

I'd say just make sure that Cingular's coverage meets your needs. Always shop for carriers based on coverage first.

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As for "locking down" the phone, I do not understand what you mean. Verizon uses CDMA technology so only a Verizon branded phone will operate on their network Sprint has a similar policy. The GSM carriers do not. An unlocked GSM phone should work well on either Cingular or T-Mobile.

If you mean locking applications, all the carriers do that in some fashion.
Again, search for Verizon, 8703e and GPS... It's really not the same as what Cingular did to BBmaps on the 8800. VZW 8703e owners can't use their GPS at all. Cingular 8800 owners didn't get BBmaps preloaded. While it's no loss in my book, BBmaps can be loaded on the 8800. There's currently no fix for GPS on the VZW 8703e aside from using an external BT GPS.

I've never had anything locked on my 6230, 7230, 7100t, 7290 (Cingular or TMO), or 8700c so I don't know what you mean by "all carriers do this". Yes, you can find different carriers locking different devices but the OP was asking specifically in reference to Blackberries. The VZW 8703e is the only fitting example that I know of...

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Having had a BB with Verizon and Cingular I am not bothered by the EDGE network. I was worried that going from the EV-DO to EDGE would cost me some major time in browsing but IMO it seems the BB are not designed for web browsing primarily and therefore don't really take advantage of the faster speeds.
There's a known bottelenck with browsing on a BB. Not sure if it's hardware, OS or both but the people complaining about the lack of 3G on current BB's haven't been paying attention to this issue or they would realize that it's a moot point until this is resolved (unless they just want to tether).

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Great information guys - thanks. I'm still in the air on if I want to switch to Cingular or T-Mobile. I guess it's a PC vs. MAC type thing. I think both offer comparable service in my area, which is nice, but unsure about customer service. I was with T-Mobile back in the day when they were called VoiceStream. CS really sucked back hen but I hear it's much better now.

Thanks again.
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Great information guys - thanks. I'm still in the air on if I want to switch to Cingular or T-Mobile. I guess it's a PC vs. MAC type thing. I think both offer comparable service in my area, which is nice, but unsure about customer service. I was with T-Mobile back in the day when they were called VoiceStream. CS really sucked back hen but I hear it's much better now.

Thanks again.
Have you done comparisons on the level of data service. Voice is one thing in your area but I would do some research on data as well.

I don't get the PC vs Mac thing but I use an iMac and Cingular....and love them both.
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