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Old 06-03-2007, 03:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I'm going off to college next year, and I'm looking for a phone to help me keep in touch with my current friends as we go our separate ways, and with all the new people I'll meet next year. I'd prefer not to get a SideKick since they seem somewhat fragile, not to mention they are the phone of choice for text-crazy middle-schoolers around here.

So is BlackBerry more suited for professional application? Or is it a social (smart)phone as well?

How is the web browsing/email/instant messaging performance?

Do you have to send emails through a BlackBerry address thus probably incurring charges? Or can you access a free account like GMail through it to send messages for free?

Are instant messages charged like regular text messages (sorry if this is a stupid question, I've never had an IM capable phone)?
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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First of all, congrats on the whole college thing. As much as I love blackberry, I would probably steer you more in the Samsung Blackjack area. The phones seem to be a little more popular amoung your peeps. Also, your school might have email that you could potentially sync with (I might be stretching that one a bit though). Assuming you're not gonna sync to a blackberry server, there's still a monthly fee for having the BB with your carrier, so you'll want to check that out too.
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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sorry to say but your needs meet the sidekick.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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>So is BlackBerry more suited for professional application? Or is it a social (smart)phone as well?

Preferred by professionals.

>How is the web browsing/email/instant messaging performance?

Satisfactory.

>Do you have to send emails through a BlackBerry address thus probably incurring charges? Or can you access a free account like GMail through it to send messages for free?

You will have to sign for blackberry data plan, it will be recurring monthly fee. After that, you can sign for free Yahoo or GMail email address and can receive and send messages with no extra charge.

>Are instant messages charged like regular text messages (sorry if this is a stupid question, I've never had an IM capable phone?

If using RIM's supplied IM clients it will be billed as data. Which means it will be included in blackberry data plan.
Some third party IM clients use SMS which could cost you extra.
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sorry to say but your needs meet the sidekick.
It may be petty but I just can't stand how puerile the thing is. Plus my carrier, Cingular, doesn't have Sidekicks. They are however having a sale on BlackBerries

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First of all, congrats on the whole college thing. As much as I love blackberry, I would probably steer you more in the Samsung Blackjack area. The phones seem to be a little more popular amoung your peeps. Also, your school might have email that you could potentially sync with (I might be stretching that one a bit though). Assuming you're not gonna sync to a blackberry server, there's still a monthly fee for having the BB with your carrier, so you'll want to check that out too.
Why would you recommend the BlackJack instead? (besides the "more popular" part)

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The blackjack is small and has a great form factor. It's WM5 and will soon get the WM6 upgrade. You won't have to pay the extra "blackberry plan" every month. IMHO, blackberries work best and perform best when you're syncing to a BES. Personally, I don't install any of the BB software and just sync to the BES.

You can change the UI around and make it more customizable. I think you'll find more of your felow students will have pocket pc type devices rather than blackberries. I could be wrong though...it's been a long time since I've been on a college campus.
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The blackjack is small and has a great form factor. It's WM5 and will soon get the WM6 upgrade. You won't have to pay the extra "blackberry plan" every month. IMHO, blackberries work best and perform best when you're syncing to a BES. Personally, I don't install any of the BB software and just sync to the BES.

You can change the UI around and make it more customizable. I think you'll find more of your felow students will have pocket pc type devices rather than blackberries. I could be wrong though...it's been a long time since I've been on a college campus.
If you have AT&T, the data plans for Blackberry and for regular PDA/smartphone are pretty much the same price. Actually, you can get a Blackberry personal plan for $39, which is unlimited data/emails plus 1500 text messages, otherwise you'd have to pay $44.95 for unlimited smartphone data, then a messaging plan. Or you could get the 4/10 MB plan and add texting, but it still might be cheaper to do the Blackberry Personal.

Also, given that you are getting this as more of a personal/fun phone, be sure to either get the Pearl or Curve, from the standpoint of a user new to Blackberry they are much easier to navigate the software because of the trackball, and they also have multimedia features that you'd probably like.

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The blackjack is small and has a great form factor. It's WM5 and will soon get the WM6 upgrade. You won't have to pay the extra "blackberry plan" every month. IMHO, blackberries work best and perform best when you're syncing to a BES. Personally, I don't install any of the BB software and just sync to the BES.

You can change the UI around and make it more customizable. I think you'll find more of your felow students will have pocket pc type devices rather than blackberries. I could be wrong though...it's been a long time since I've been on a college campus.
can you recommend any other phones for personal email, IM use?
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>So is BlackBerry more suited for professional application? Or is it a social (smart)phone as well?

Preferred by professionals.

>How is the web browsing/email/instant messaging performance?

Satisfactory.

>Do you have to send emails through a BlackBerry address thus probably incurring charges? Or can you access a free account like GMail through it to send messages for free?

You will have to sign for blackberry data plan, it will be recurring monthly fee. After that, you can sign for free Yahoo or GMail email address and can receive and send messages with no extra charge.

>Are instant messages charged like regular text messages (sorry if this is a stupid question, I've never had an IM capable phone?

If using RIM's supplied IM clients it will be billed as data. Which means it will be included in blackberry data plan.
Some third party IM clients use SMS which could cost you extra.
I don't know what carrier you using or where you are at but for T-mobile USA, the included IM on the Blackberry charge you text messaging. You need aftermarket software like Ramble (free), Yak-on (paid), and JiveTalk (paid). Those software uses data.
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It may be petty but I just can't stand how puerile the thing is. Plus my carrier, Cingular, doesn't have Sidekicks. They are however having a sale on BlackBerries



Why would you recommend the BlackJack instead? (besides the "more popular" part)
Since you are from Cingular (Now AT&T), I highly recommend getting the Blackberry 8300. I think that will suit you fine for your needs. If you going to use IM, check the software which I just mention in my previous post. Just do a search here to get more information about it.

One thing I don't like about AT&T is they charge you extra to tether. That's why I am at T-mobile. (Tether means you hook up your laptop to your Blackberry to get Internet access for your laptop.)
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The blackjack is small and has a great form factor. It's WM5 and will soon get the WM6 upgrade. You won't have to pay the extra "blackberry plan" every month. IMHO, blackberries work best and perform best when you're syncing to a BES. Personally, I don't install any of the BB software and just sync to the BES.

You can change the UI around and make it more customizable. I think you'll find more of your felow students will have pocket pc type devices rather than blackberries. I could be wrong though...it's been a long time since I've been on a college campus.
Are you sure about that? I think you do need to pay extra for the data plan for that phone too.
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Are you sure about that? I think you do need to pay extra for the data plan for that phone too.
I'm not a 100% sure to be honest. I used a blackjack for a short period and thought I remembered it being cheaper than a BB plan.
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can you recommend any other phones for personal email, IM use?
Other than the blackjack, there aren't to many other PPC phones I would suggest. There is the HTC 720 but it hasn't been released here yet so you'd pay a premium to get one.

Not that I'm trying to steer you away from BB. If you think that's the device for you, then go for it. I don't think it's a bad decision. A Treo... now there's a bad decision...lol

Besides, chicks dig blackberries...ha ha
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So is BlackBerry more suited for professional application? Or is it a social (smart)phone as well?
That's an overly simplified question. There are all sorts of people using Blackberries.

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How is the web browsing/email/instant messaging performance?
Pretty good. If web browsing is important you might want to consider a 3G device. EDGE isn't too bad but it's definitely not fast. I find it suitable for my use but I mostly only pull up real time traffic maps, animated doppler loops, or mobile versions of sites. EDGE is pretty quick in those situations. It works well enough for "normal" web sites but if you're a heavy surfer you might not be happy with it.

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Do you have to send emails through a BlackBerry address thus probably incurring charges? Or can you access a free account like GMail through it to send messages for free?
Your assumptions are a bit off. You have to have a data plans for data services on any data-capable device -- not just Blackberries. You don't incur extra charges for email on a BB once you've added a BB data plan. BIS allows you to integrate up to 10 email accounts (POP, IMAP, OWA, and others like gmail, Yahoo, etc).

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Are instant messages charged like regular text messages (sorry if this is a stupid question, I've never had an IM capable phone)?
Again, depends on the app you use. If it uses SMS for message delivery and you don't have an SMS package then you'll incur SMS charges. If it doesn't use SMS then it won't.

I suggest reading up at BlackberryFAQ.com.

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IMHO the keypad on the blackjack is dreadful. My boyfriend has a blackjack, I used it for a week and definitely prefer the keypad on the pearl. The raised keys just feel so awkward. It only took about 2 days to memorize the keypad on the pearl.

Plus the space bar and 0 key are literaly on top of each other which can be confusing when your boyfriend sends you a text messge that he won $800 at the casino...

When he really meant to type $80. Darn space bar ruined my dreams of buying a toaster oven.
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...an $800 toaster oven?
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...an $800 toaster oven?

Don't be silly, I also wanted to buy a food processor and kitchenaid mixer too, so i don't have to keep brining over mine from home. Do you know how heavy that mixer is?
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I just got some major deja vu. I could have sworn I read this post and replied to it. Did you post it somewhere else? HoFo maybe?
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I have a colleague who hate his Blackjack and the only reason he keeps using it is that it is what his company has standardized on. He left it in his briefcase for a day and when he got it out that night, the battery had swollen and stopped working. I have another colleague who loves her BlackJack.

Just points of reference. I went with the Pearl because of the form factor and the fact I can do IM, e-mail, and web on it for $20/mo data plan (T-Mobile).
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Do you know how heavy that mixer is?
Yup. I have a Pro 5 that mostly gets used for breadmaking.

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Just points of reference. I went with the Pearl because of the form factor and the fact I can do IM, e-mail, and web on it for $20/mo data plan (T-Mobile).
Push email is the Blackberry's killer app but there are certainly plenty of other possible reasons to choose the Blackberry.

I was originally looking for a device to converge my cell phone and Outlook as well as for web browsing. Email was a plus. I wasn't specifically looking for push email. However, I really wanted a reliable and stable device after having supported my wife's Treos that kept crashing... After having used about six different models of BB so far I'd say that reliability is probably the most important feature to me and BB has not disappointed me so far.

The Pearl has been interesting as I know of quite a few people who just really like the device even though they don't have a data plan.

Certainly, there are many other reasons out there as well.

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