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Old 05-14-2005, 12:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all, I have an UNlocked 7230, I'm using it now in Israel and have tried it with two of the different carriers sim cards (Orange and Cellcom). They both work for incoming and outgoing calls.
I followed the directions on Mark's wonderful FAQ for using the gprs without bes or bis or anything, but it doesn't seem to work.
I'm subscribed to GPRS with both carriers and it works fine with my SE P800.
When I put the APN in on the BB (internet for Orange, internetg for Cellcom) all I get is "gprs" not "GPRS" and a message saying data connection refused. I have tried using os 4 from t-mobile as well as os 4 from telstra (the newer one) but neither work. Could it be that these carriers are somehow blocking my ability to connect to regular GPRS from a blackberry ?
Please, any help would be much appreciated.
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Old 05-14-2005, 01:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It sounds to me like it is trying to connect to the blackberry network and getting a refusal. I've seen this before on phones when you insert a regular phone sim into a gsm blackberry.
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Yes this might be what's happening, so how to I get it not to try to do that, but just to use regular GPRS and not the blackberry netowrk ?
Is this possible ? just using gprs for browser/pop3 connectivity ?
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There is no data plan on the SIM cards.

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do you mean a bb data plan ? that is correct, there is only a regular GPRS data plan, which definitley works on other phones. From what I understood on OS 4, you are able to use a regular gprs data plan in order to access pop3 and other simple ports such as 80, 25, 22, etc' . are you saying you have to have a blackberry service account in order for this to work ?
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Mark, do you have any insight to this problem ? there must be a way for the blackberry to use just regular gprs without being blocked by the provider, like any other phone ? maybe there is a certain OS version I need to download, or am I totally wrong and they can specifically block the usage of a blackberry ?
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Well, I am not Mark, but as has been said many, many times, without a data plan, you basically have nothing. A very expensive PDA. You need a BlackBerry Data Plan with a service that supports it.
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Hi, i spent 1 hour on line with orange France. And the guy said it was possible to get GPRS connection to use a wapBrowser without any BB data plan.
He has seen it working with webviewer from reqwireless.
But yes, i'm still looking for it to work too.
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what part of "you need" do you not get?

listen!
you DO have gprs as you can see "gprs" in signal streangth right? = fine!

In order to use BlackBerry you need one more connection step and that is to the BlackBerry platform (via gprs), you will ONLY get to that if you HAVE a BlackBerry data plan AND you are using a network carrier that supports BlackBerry.

Try again with your service provider, if they tell you otherwise I would be looking for one that knows what they sell.
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Rancor, Mark and Friends,

Sounds like you know what you're talking about. Perhaps you can help me. I'm very new to the Blackberry World. My 7100g and I are travelling in the Philippines, but are not having any luck at all connecting to phone or GPRS service. I was assured by my carrier, Cingular, that I would have full access while travelling internationally. What do you suggest I do to get this device up and running? Must I purchase a local SIM card -- I think that's what it's called.
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gprs means GSM + data
GPRS means GSM + data + Blackberry
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i have the same problem, i have no BB plans, on other mobiles the tested SIMs works fine.
but i can use my BB as a gprs modem with my laptop.
and if i try to connect to wrong urls on 3rd party apps i get a dns error, with correct not.
i have tried it with a gprs enabled prepaid card, after some tries i get billed about some cents, 10 mins later i get the money back.
so who knows more? it must be possible! this would be great if anyone find a solution.
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Try using internet.orange.net.il for teathering or wap.orange.co.il for use with your reqwireless browser or the like. Also, it will depend on which GPRS plan you are subscribed to that will decide if you can use the first APN.
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my 7100t berry is TMO branded, if i look the event log my bb is trying to connet to the TMO apn, get kick. if i set in tcp option my apn, i also get a kick. question is, can the bb software force a kick, or only my provider?
is there a way to "unbrand" a bb?
i have tested several version of the OS from different providers, but everytime the TMO screen appears on boot.
is the branding hardware or software based?
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