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Old 07-22-2007, 04:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyhow, as far as my understanding goes about BIS, it basically works on pop3, imap, and owa, and at times domino. Its not really instant push mail. but just server polling on some pattern and gets your email to you in abt 15 mins or so.


Now, If I need to get instant emails without having BES. I basically forward my email address to BIS career.blackberry.net address and that delivery is instant?

I can configure upto 10 addresses on BIS

Now my question is that for every 10 address

- Would I be able to get a separate mailbox?
- And if I forward each 10 of em to my BIS career.blackberry.net address to receive instant delivery. Would I be able to alter reply-to?
- If I can alter reply-to, do I have to type in reply-to everytime or if I am in the folder for that email address, automatically thats teh reply too address?

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Old 07-22-2007, 10:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Anyhow, as far as my understanding goes about BIS, it basically works on pop3, imap, and owa, and at times domino. Its not really instant push mail. but just server polling on some pattern and gets your email to you in abt 15 mins or so.
Yes, except your @carrier.blackberry.net address is push. Gmail and Yahoo are also push with BIS 2.3 (current version, at least here in N.A.)
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Now, If I need to get instant emails without having BES. I basically forward my email address to BIS career.blackberry.net address and that delivery is instant?
Yes, that's one way to do it. As I mentioned, Gmail and Yahoo are also push.

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I can configure upto 10 addresses on BIS
Yes. You can register up to 10 email accounts to be polled by BIS and directed to your handheld.
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Now my question is that for every 10 address

- Would I be able to get a separate mailbox?
- And if I forward each 10 of em to my BIS career.blackberry.net address to receive instant delivery. Would I be able to alter reply-to?
- If I can alter reply-to, do I have to type in reply-to everytime or if I am in the folder for that email address, automatically thats teh reply too address?
- I'm not sure if I understand this question, but you don't "get" any mailbox when you have a BIS account. You get one carrier address (no true mailbox; it just goes to your BB but you can set up and auto forward for archiving purposes) and the other 9 addresses are pre-existing addresses that you already own and can be Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, OWA, ISP POP, etc. You do get separate mail icons on your BB and separate inboxes for all your BIS accounts though, if that's what you're asking.
- You can only choose one reply-to for your carrier.blackberry.net address, and that setting is on your carrier's BIS web interface, not on the BB. It's not effective to do this on-the-fly. You could in theory have an unlimited number of accounts forwarded to your carrier address but you can only choose one address as your reply-to (either the true @carrier address or one of your choosing that you set up on the BIS site). If you actually have each account set up to be polled by BIS and that account is directed to your BB, the "from" email address will default to whatever you set the default to be, or in the case of an email that you are replying to, it will default to the address the email came in on. You can also change that, but only to another address that is registered with BIS (not if you are just forwarding).

I hope that helps. Let me know if you need further clarification.
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Ok, so if I get it correctly basically you can forward whatever address you want to get pushed to your career bis email account but only one reply to can be configured. And as you said, that configuration is done online in your BIS setup NOT on device end.


I have a question. Can you shed more light on this software - would this software do anything different?

BBReply allows you to change reply-to address
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And thanks for answering my original request
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Ok, so if I get it correctly basically you can forward whatever address you want to get pushed to your career bis email account but only one reply to can be configured. And as you said, that configuration is done online in your BIS setup NOT on device end.


I have a question. Can you shed more light on this software - would this software do anything different?

BBReply allows you to change reply-to address
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And thanks for answering my original request
I've never used BBReply but I believe it's an old piece of software that let you choose which address on your BB you reply with. In other words, if you have POP account 1, account 2, account 3, etc,this peice of software that would allow you to choose which address to have as your reply-to (but I think it's obsolete now).
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If you actually have each account set up to be polled by BIS and that account is directed to your BB, the "from" email address will default to whatever you set the default to be, or in the case of an email that you are replying to, it will default to the address the email came in on. You can also change that, but only to another address that is registered with BIS (not if you are just forwarding).
That is not all true. On BIS, if you receive an email from Email Address A, when you hit reply, it will only reply FROM that address. You cannot change that reply to be from another email address on your BB. You can forward, and designate which address you are replying from.

While you can certainly setup your emails to all forward to your @carrier.blackberry.net address, I personally don't like those setups. It just creates too many problems, as you are experiencing now. The ideal manner, unless you want BES, is set the BIS accounts up pure, as intended. You won't have the reply from problems, and you will rarely ever notice the delay of the push mail coming to your device.

You can setup ALL your POP accounts on your BIS, and them have none of the mail forwarded to your BB. Then have them all forward to your gmail or yahoo account to come to the BB. You will have the original accounts set up on your BB, and you can always use the 'forward to" trick to reply from the address you desire, as mentioned above.

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That is not all true. On BIS, if you receive an email from Email Address A, when you hit reply, it will only reply FROM that address. You cannot change that reply to be from another email address on your BB. You can forward, and designate which address you are replying from.

While you can certainly setup your emails to all forward to your @carrier.blackberry.net address, I personally don't like those setups. It just creates too many problems, as you are experiencing now. The ideal manner, unless you want BES, is set the BIS accounts up pure, as intended. You won't have the reply from problems, and you will rarely ever notice the delay of the push mail coming to your device.

You can setup ALL your POP accounts on your BIS, and them have none of the mail forwarded to your BB. Then have them all forward to your gmail or yahoo account to come to the BB. You will have the original accounts set up on your BB, and you can always use the 'forward to" trick to reply from the address you desire, as mentioned above.

Good luck.
ok, so I get you right. you are saying don't mess with forwarding business to your BIS email account. Instead

- Setup all email pop accounts that I need on BIS
- Then forward those email accounts to a gmail or yahoo account to recieve instant push.
- And then click on forward to reply rather than reply?

Wouldn't this result in double emails?
And wouldn't this result in having all emails stored in one folder than going in seperate one?
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That is not all true. On BIS, if you receive an email from Email Address A, when you hit reply, it will only reply FROM that address. You cannot change that reply to be from another email address on your BB. You can forward, and designate which address you are replying from.

While you can certainly setup your emails to all forward to your @carrier.blackberry.net address, I personally don't like those setups. It just creates too many problems, as you are experiencing now. The ideal manner, unless you want BES, is set the BIS accounts up pure, as intended. You won't have the reply from problems, and you will rarely ever notice the delay of the push mail coming to your device.

You can setup ALL your POP accounts on your BIS, and them have none of the mail forwarded to your BB. Then have them all forward to your gmail or yahoo account to come to the BB. You will have the original accounts set up on your BB, and you can always use the 'forward to" trick to reply from the address you desire, as mentioned above.

Good luck.
Sorry, got reply and forward mixed up. What I meant is that you can hit forward and choose a different account to forward from, and in effect you *could* reply this way.
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now, i am all confused.
I do understand you can hit forward and get things done.

So, should I setup my 4 pop accounts on BIS
and then transfer them to a seperate gmail account? So, in essence, setup 5 accounts. One just for push purposes?

But wouldnt all email be coming in that gmail or yahoo inbox?
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But wouldnt all email be coming in that gmail or yahoo inbox?
Sorry your are confused. Yes, all the email will go into one mailbox. You are giving that up for the your other priority of getting the instant emails.

I have never had a problem with the 15 min delay, I never notice it. Some people have to have it your way, which I understand.
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now, i am all confused.
I do understand you can hit forward and get things done.

So, should I setup my 4 pop accounts on BIS
and then transfer them to a seperate gmail account? So, in essence, setup 5 accounts. One just for push purposes?

But wouldnt all email be coming in that gmail or yahoo inbox?
As JSanders said, your trade-off for push mail would be the fact that it all comes in one box. However if you do any forwarding, you would NOT set up the original account in BIS. The only account you would set up is the one (or more) that messages are being forwarded TO. So in your scenario above you would only have ONE account in BIS (the separate Gmail account). The 4 POPs would be automatically forwarded hence there would be no need to have them polled by BIS. That would result in duplicates.

One other possible way you could set it up if you can't live with the 15 minute (max) delay would be to create a separate Gmail or Yahoo account for each of your POP accounts and set your reply-to for each account in BIS to be your POP account. So in effect you would have:

POP [forward --->] Yahoo account (registered with BIS) [push --->] BB

When you reply to these emails it would show as coming from the POP account instead of Yahoo. I prefer Yahoo because it is push just like Gmail but it also reconciles if you have read an email on your BB.

Living with the 15 minute delay may be best. Most times it won't be a full 15 minutes unless BIS has just polled the POP server and then you get an email right afterward.

I hope this helps clear things up a little.
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(I don't want to confuse the poster any further)
akg, you can set up all of the POP accounts at the BIS, and just tell them NOT to forward to the device in the filters. That way you do get the functionality of having the SENT FROM be any of the addresses you want. Right?

You won't receive the mail from that account (except when forwarded via gmail or yahoo), but you have the ability to send from that account.

Does that make sense?
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Yeah, you could do that and have the ability to send (or forward) from that account. As you mentioned earlier though, it wouldn't give you the ability to technically reply from any of those accounts unless you forward.
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