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Old 12-29-2004, 03:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

After a couple of phone calls and a lot of experimenting, I found buried deep inside some developer docs a MIME extension that has to be registered in a web server in order for the 7100x to recognise an ADPCM ringtone.

Two conditions apply:

1. The ringtone file must have an extension .adp
2. The adp extension has to be registered in the web server as audio/adpcm - in IIS this is easy to do, just add it on the server options window.

Once I registered this extension, I was able to post some ringtone.adp in the server, and have the BB (7100v in my case) download it, i.e. http://www.my-server.com/ringtone.adp

I have titled the post half solved as I still don't know the correct ADPCM format the ringtone should have. FYI I've tried 11025 and 8000 Hz, 4-bit, but the BB doesn't play them, it just pops. The file seems to load and the player comes up though.

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P.S. with the router problem, is it possible some posts and users have been lost? I've had to re-register on the forum, as it appears that my user account and my posts have gone.
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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When I click on your link I do not see the ringtone

What is an ADP ringtone? Is it better quality

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Old 12-29-2004, 09:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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OMG....the my-server.com was only meant to be an example on the URL that can be composed to download a ringtone.

You need access to a web server in which you can register extensions, and a lot of ISPs don't allow this. I run my own server off the DSL line, so I can test all these things.

As for ADPCM ringtones, the are not better or worse, they are a form of compressed wave format, so they don't have the limits that MIDI has (i.e. any sound can be used as a ringtone, not just notes).

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Old 12-29-2004, 04:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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nice work figuring out how to get the file over to the phone and the player to come up... the fact that you are hearing static means that you are on the right track... probably just a matter of file specs...
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With most phones the specs seem to be 16000hz, 16-bit mono, could you try that and let us know if it works?
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Hi all,

I've tried the following combinations: 16000, 11025, 8000 and 4000Hz, at 16-bit mono (IAM ADPCM), and none of the formats have played in the BB. I'm going to try and squeeze some more info from RIM....

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What software are you using to encode the ringtones? Is there anything free that will do it? ADPCM doesn't seem to be the most popular codec, and the built-in Windows implementation seems only to want to encode at 4-bit...
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi,

I use Audition (before I used GoldWave when it wasn't Adobe's). I don't know of freeware editors/converters, I've not really had to use any.

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Actually Audition used to be Cool Edit Pro from Syntrillium before Adobe bought them.
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Hi,

You are totally correct, it was indeed Cool Edit - I also used GoldWave and got the two confused. Cool Edit was useful for looking at waveforms down to sample level.

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The BBClassicPhone ringtone on the 7100 seems to be an ADPCM file.

If there were a way to extract it from the handset, you could open it in Cool Edit or whatever to examine the bit rate, sample rate etc.

Don't know if this helps! I love this thread though, the thought of actually using real sound for a ringtone on my BB!
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>>"If there were a way to extract it from the handset"

It should be possible with the javaloader application, to copy the file off the BlackBerry.
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Mark, I believe a lot of people have tried and failed at extracting the ringtones from the software/handset (unless someone has succeeded since).
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The only module that I could find with the ringers is net_rim_bb_profiles_tunes_builtintunes which I was able to get off of the handheld with javaloader, but I'm not sure if I can extract the individual midis from the COD file. When I opened up the COD in notepad you can see that the BBClassicPhone file is titled BBClassicPhone.mid so it probably isn't a ADPCM unless RIM had to use the .mid extension to get it to play. Hope this helps.
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here's some information for you all. it looks like these are the supported file types (these may be the internal folders, actually):

audio/adpcm
audio/mid
audio/midi
audio/x-midi
audio/x-nokia-ringtone
audio/x-tone-seq

it actually has a built-in "device" called AdpcmPlayer, as well as ImagePlayer, MEPlayer, MidiPlayer, NokiaRingtonePlayer, and TonePlayer (these all could be the same media player).
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Well then, I guess you just have to find out how to load files to those directories?
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those are the MIME extensions not folders.
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FYI, this functionality has been removed from the Blackberry. After speaking to a few of our users, they started requesting the ADPCM functionality. I emailed RIM and ended up speaking to someone who escalated the issue to another department. Anyhow, they said that it did not support ADPCM ringtones and that polyphonic midi would be the only route to go for multi-channel ringtones.

Hope that gives a little bit of an 'official' answer for everyone else... :-/

*edit: it was ADPCM2 format. 'For now' it has been removed (perhaps it could be added back in a future software update?)
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man, I SO SO SO wish this worked. :(
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How about the other sounds? For example the default sound for the alarm clock doesn't sound like it's a midi sample. I'd like to change some of the sounds for e-mail notification for example. Is this possible or is the whole ADPCM issue a write off until they fix it?
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