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Old 11-23-2005, 10:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Heya,

I know that the 8700c is compatible with EDGE. I wanna know if when the HSDPA network becomes available, if the 8700c will support it? Or will we have to buy an entirely new phone to use it? If so, when would that phone come out?

If the 8700c isn't going to support HSDPA, would it then make sense to wait for an HSDPA blackberry? I am looking at this article from Lucent about HSDPA and this sounds way too good to be true??

http://www.lucent.com/press/0105/050104.nsa.html

data speeds up to 3.6mbps and a theoretical max peak of 14.4mbps ? Can you imagine what that would be like? If blackberry threw in HSDPA and a modem feature, there would be no stopping it, not that there not already great devices. (I still love the 7290!)

I think the answer to this question will determine wether or not out there with the other "Black Friday" shoppers.
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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37 views and no responses? c'mon i know somebody's gotta know this...
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I know that theoretically the Intel chipset would support UMTS and that would lead to a theoretical possiblity of a simple firmware update to make the phone capable of accessing HSDPA... THAT said the speeds you posted even if they are attainable (which currently they are not -> about 700kbps is the max on Cingulars HSDPA) the processor on the device has a limit to the speed in which it can process and receive data... it would be like running a broadband connection on a Pentium 2 processor at 350mHz and then switching to another computer on the same connectuon running a Pentium 4 3.2gHz with H/T the latter computer will seem to have a faster connection to the internet when in reality it is simply able to process the incoming data faster than the first computer. hence why when one runs a bandwidth speed test on a PDA it will be slower than if the same test is run on a laptop with a PC card in it the same internet speed is available but the handheld device cant process the incoming data fast enough.
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Old 11-24-2005, 12:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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ok what about the 7290 - is the 7290 fast enough to handle the EDGE network? if so, would a firmware update (when they put one out) allow us to get on EDGE from our 7290 or are they a completely different architecture?

right now, the speakerphone, the processor speed and the edge network capability are what i see as the main features that edge the 8700 over the 7290. if existing 7290 users could get a firmware upgrade to edge - that would be AWESOME but would probably result in fewer 8700 sales..
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Old 11-24-2005, 01:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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No the 7290 cannot be firmwared to EDGE its chipset is not capable of utilizing EDGE.... Perhaps i didn't make myself clear on my reply for that I apologize. The intent of my first reply was to advise the OP that the 8700's chipset from intel already has the ability to utilize the UMTS network, and that more than likely it would just require reprogramming to allow access to that network....

Or in more simple english the 7290 does not have the hardware onboard necessary to access the EDGE network, while the 8700 should have the hardware necessary to access the UMTS network should there be a firmware update to the Intel chipset....
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Old 11-24-2005, 12:27 PM   #6 (permalink)
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great - this is awesome news for 8700c owners and future owners. 7290 owners - not so good...

I guess I'll be askin the wife for an 8700 for xmas
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Considering Verizon released the EVDO upgrade for the 7250 recently, it is totally possible that Cingular might eventually release a UMTS upgrade for the 8700.

It's an interesting concept -- not a new concept though -- include an over-featuered chipset that contains features not yet beta-tested or enabled, and release a firmware upgrade to utilize the extra features.

As far as I know, the 7290 chips do not include EDGE or UMTS capability. However, the specifications on Intel's website for the chip being used in the 8700, includes support for UMTS.

That doesn't mean there WILL be an upgrade -- but it is an interesting observation nonteheless. If this ever gets utilized, this would potentially blow away EVDO in speeds.

Don't forget how long it took before the 7250 officially got the EVDO upgrade.
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I spoke with the Intel folks, Cingular and RIM folks at the SF event and asked that specific question. With a grin they all said that the phone is upgradable to UMTS, HSDPA in particular and Cingular told me the traget was a true 700kbps rate anywhere you had a signal as opposed to the higher theoretical rates that are only achievable if you are standing under a tower under perfect conditions and the only one using the network.
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I take this as a definite confirmation, especially coming from Mark Rejhon and Barjohn, both of which I've read articles from that have helped me immensly with blackberry. Definate thanks to SDCABBFAN as well, Barjohn and Mark Rejhon just cemented your response.

I am on the phone with Cingular ordering it NOW and I found out, as an IBMer, I qualify for $199 pricing!

$199 pricing for IBMers requires:
Unlimited Data Plan - Check..
$39.99 Voice Plan - Check.. its the minimum anyways!

I just checked out ebay and it looks like used 7290's with no contact are goin for around $150!
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While it was confirmed to be possible from 3 independent sources, that doesn't mean that Cingular will offer it. I think they would be crazy not to offer it but then I don't run Cingular and they do things that I don't always comprehend.
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Completely understand the risks.. seeing the verizon upgrade to EVDO though is encouraging!
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anybody know of any rumors going around about a umts update for 8700 yet?
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There is an entirely new handheld called the 8707/uElectron that will be released here shortly in European markets that will be UMTS-compatible (not sure on HSDPA). This leads me to believe that the base-8700 series handheld will not have a firmware/software update to unlock UMTS/HSDPA compatibility and will remain EDGE-compatible only. Considering they already have 8700 series handhelds in the UK, France, Germany, and various other European markets, I'd think there was a strong possibility that my 'assumptions' are correct.
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