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greggebhardt 12-01-2005 06:38 AM

Advantages of BES?
 
I know that BES offeres over the air sync but was wondering about email.

I know nothing about BES but was wondering about how fast email is. The 15 minute lag has not been too much of a problem in the past but has become a problem in getting speedy replies to my customers who are sitting at the computer and waiting on my to give them an answer.

I am considering one of the 2rd party BES providers and wanted to know how hard it is to get things set up and the advantages provided. Also down time, do they provide dependable service? I also do not want to loose dependability on my 8700 and still want to get my AOL mail which is where all of my email is sent. I would assume that it would offer quicker AOL mail push to my device. SO MANY QUESTIONS!

Any suggestions of one of these 3rd party BES providers that would be will to help me get it set up and running as I only know BIS and nothing about the Enterprise thing.

Any suggestions or advise would be helpful

NJBlackBerry 12-01-2005 07:08 AM

Sometimes mail arrives on my BB before it hits Outlook. Sometimes it is 10-15 seconds later than Outlook. The only downside of BES is that it is another piece of infrastructure (corporate or 3rd party hosted) that requires care and feeding. But it beats the tar out of the other alternatives (BIS or desktop redirector).

BES will do NOTHING for your AOL e-mail. BES is used to push mail from Exchange, Notes or Groupwise e-mail accounts.

takeshi 12-01-2005 07:37 AM

I've used MailStreet for approximately year now with very little downtime. The downtimes that did occur were planned system outages/upgrades and I don't recall missing any email.

Stinsonddog 12-01-2005 07:48 AM

Not sure anymore
 
Used to be many more features. I would check the RIM site under BES but I don't think the differences are as many any more. I think that was the only way to see attachments previously but not so now. They might have a comparison chart or something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by greggebhardt
I know that BES offeres over the air sync but was wondering about email.

I know nothing about BES but was wondering about how fast email is. The 15 minute lag has not been too much of a problem in the past but has become a problem in getting speedy replies to my customers who are sitting at the computer and waiting on my to give them an answer.

I am considering one of the 2rd party BES providers and wanted to know how hard it is to get things set up and the advantages provided. Also down time, do they provide dependable service? I also do not want to loose dependability on my 8700 and still want to get my AOL mail which is where all of my email is sent. I would assume that it would offer quicker AOL mail push to my device. SO MANY QUESTIONS!

Any suggestions of one of these 3rd party BES providers that would be will to help me get it set up and running as I only know BIS and nothing about the Enterprise thing.

Any suggestions or advise would be helpful


greggebhardt 12-01-2005 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry
Sometimes mail arrives on my BB before it hits Outlook. Sometimes it is 10-15 seconds later than Outlook. The only downside of BES is that it is another piece of infrastructure (corporate or 3rd party hosted) that requires care and feeding. But it beats the tar out of the other alternatives (BIS or desktop redirector).

BES will do NOTHING for your AOL e-mail. BES is used to push mail from Exchange, Notes or Groupwise e-mail accounts.

Well if BES does not help get my email, faster, from AOL, it will not be of service to me. I guess I will be keeping BIS and live with it of pass out my Blackberry email address to speed things up.

buttbutt 12-01-2005 09:24 AM

The biggest difference (and again nothing to do with AOL mail) for me is synchronized contacts and calendar and the ability to invite others to meetings. I can send schedule requests to my wife for things, forward work meetings to it and accept them and have them show up, and throw personal items in like various games and other ice time info. Redirector was a little awkward, especially if you travel much or have frequent blackouts (i.e. would never have worked when living in Redmond as power went out all the time). Redirector only works for email also, which is a shortcoming.

Seattle18 12-01-2005 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greggebhardt
Well if BES does not help get my email, faster, from AOL, it will not be of service to me. I guess I will be keeping BIS and live with it of pass out my Blackberry email address to speed things up.

You should try the Gmail forwarding as suggested in this forum many places. I set it up a few days ago and bow I have 5 email addresses being forwarded through my Gmail account, then all instantly pushed to my BB. Now I get my email roughly 5-10 seconds after it is sent! A couple of times when testing it on my iBook I received the email on my BB before the Apple Mail spinning progress icon even finished spinning! Doesn't get any faster than that.

Brad00111 12-01-2005 11:30 AM

Well now you can effect your AOL email through a BES. Have AOL forawrd your email to your BES email address, have your BES provider setup your email address to "appear" to be sending from your AOL email address and Bingo, your only limited by the time it takes AOL to forward your email to your BES address (which should only be seconds) and every email you send from you BES account will appear to be sent from your AOL account. You can keep your BIS or Blackberry Web account for personal or other emails and go that route.

Works like a charm, and if your shopping for a BES check out David at www.mobileweb4u.com I have never had a system outage that was not planned overnight for an upgrade, he is 100% customer driven and will even sit up with you overnight to set you up or help you troubleshoot something. $20 a month, a small price to pay to have better web access, invite availability and real time wireless syncing of my address book, contacts and calendar, plus attachment viewing (I am still with Cingular thus no BIS for me)

Just my 2 cents....

greggebhardt 12-01-2005 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seattle18
You should try the Gmail forwarding as suggested in this forum many places. I set it up a few days ago and bow I have 5 email addresses being forwarded through my Gmail account, then all instantly pushed to my BB. Now I get my email roughly 5-10 seconds after it is sent! A couple of times when testing it on my iBook I received the email on my BB before the Apple Mail spinning progress icon even finished spinning! Doesn't get any faster than that.

Gmail will not help. It HAS got to be my AOL address. TOO many people and all of my customers use this address for years now.

greggebhardt 12-01-2005 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad00111
Well now you can effect your AOL email through a BES. Have AOL forawrd your email to your BES email address, have your BES provider setup your email address to "appear" to be sending from your AOL email address and Bingo, your only limited by the time it takes AOL to forward your email to your BES address (which should only be seconds) and every email you send from you BES account will appear to be sent from your AOL account. You can keep your BIS or Blackberry Web account for personal or other emails and go that route.

Works like a charm, and if your shopping for a BES check out David at www.mobileweb4u.com I have never had a system outage that was not planned overnight for an upgrade, he is 100% customer driven and will even sit up with you overnight to set you up or help you troubleshoot something. $20 a month, a small price to pay to have better web access, invite availability and real time wireless syncing of my address book, contacts and calendar, plus attachment viewing (I am still with Cingular thus no BIS for me)

Just my 2 cents....

That would be nice but AOL does not forward their mail

buttbutt 12-01-2005 01:09 PM

Try http://aolmobile.aol.com/portal/aolm...blackberry.jsp. Appears there is a java client for accessing aol mail. Never tried it and don't have an active AOL mail account anymore.

MrH 12-02-2005 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greggebhardt
Well if BES does not help get my email, faster, from AOL, it will not be of service to me. I guess I will be keeping BIS and live with it of pass out my Blackberry email address to speed things up.

Why don't you just do a transparent forward copy of the messages to your Blackberry account from the email service that provides the email you need so urgently. Then just tell the POP3 checker to not check that account. This way you'll get email instantly while not needing BES. I did this for a while and it works just fine, I just moved to BES because of the full OTA sync...my 8700r was a flakey unit...I just did an OTA Enterprise Activation and within 10 mins my new phone was back to normal with no syncing required...I did it from the cell store when exchanging the faulty unit...


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