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Old 12-25-2005, 11:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey so I have been looking at the 8700c for a while and I am very impressed with it. Right now I own an older Blackberry model, the 7230, and while it's pretty good, it has some significant limitations: the amount of ROM is fairly limited (16MB) so I can only have maybe 1,000 emails on at a time (at most), web browsing really doesn't work at all, the screen is dark, etc. So I'm considering using the money I just got for Christmas and going out and getting an unlocked 8700c from a Cingular store and using it on T-Mobile (I'm happy with their service and also have a year commitment, plus they're a lot cheaper, 20/month for BB service).

Can anybody think of a reason why I should NOT do this? $450 is admittedly pretty steep, even though this does seem like a very dramatic improvement. I've checked on eBay though and I doubt that unlocked 8700c's will be sold there for much less in the forseeable future, nor do I think T-Mobile is going to get the product line soon/ever.

Besides this general question I have a couple of specific questions:
1. Am I correct in my assumption that 64MB of ROM will leave me with a lot more free space for email, i.e. that it's not eaten up by increased overhead? I get maybe 100-150 emails a day and would LOVE to be able to store a month's worth of emails on the device (at least 3,000).

2. How does this tethering thing work? Does it require my laptop to have bluetooth? (I don't have it).

Thanks for your help and happy holidays!

S

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You could wait 60 days (or so) for T-Mobile to come out with one (of course I rushed out and bought one full price and had it unlocked to use on T-Mobile)...

1. Yes - you will have 44+ MB free. I personally do not keep that much e-mail on my BB, but it should work for you.

2. Tethering, by nature, involves a cable. You may be confusing two features. The 8700c (at least on Cingular - I have not tried it on T-Mobile) allows you to use it as a modem while connected to your laptop using the USB cable. Bluetooth can be used for syncing!

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"You could wait 60 days (or so) for T-Mobile to come out with one "

How likely is that? I'm going to call them and see if I can get them to tell me, but do you know of any other way I can find out? I may be willing to wait a couple of months for the subscriber discount.
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T-Mobile had a 90 day exclusive on the 7100.
It is expected/anticipated that Cingular has a 90 day exclusive on the 8700.
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Keep in mind that in addition to the $450, you'll have to pay another $45 to get it unlocked. I doubt Cingular will unlock your 8700 for free, especially since you are not a customer.

With that said, I'm one of those folks who did exactly what you said. I purchased an 8700 from the Cingular store, though I somehow paid $399. I then paid Adam at gsmphonesource.com $45 to unlock it and put that bad boy right on T-Mo's network. I'm very happy.

However... this is my first BB. If I already had one and it served my needs well enough, I'd probably wait for the T-Mo branded 8700. 1) You can probably talk T-Mo into selling it to you for less $ with another year commitment. That and you'd save $45 on the unlocking fee. 2) It'd be fully supported by T-Mo. 3) It might be of a better build quality, free of dust and gaps in the plastic.

Food for thought...
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This is all very good information. Thanks a bunch! If it's coming out on T-mobile as early as February, I think I'm just going to wait until then, since they typically give a $100 discount with a new service commitment. It's particularly easy for me since my next semester of college doesn't start until February. Also, you're totally right about the importance of getting T-mobile support... right now I pay $6/month for insurance on my phone through T-Mobile and I really would want that to carry over to the 8700. And... I kinda want to see if T-mobile has it in a different color... from looking at the blackberry.com website, black is SO much nicer.

Ok, thanks for all your help and happy holidays!

- S

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2. Tethering, by nature, involves a cable. You may be confusing two features. The 8700c (at least on Cingular - I have not tried it on T-Mobile) allows you to use it as a modem while connected to your laptop using the USB cable. Bluetooth can be used for syncing!

Good luck!
I have teathered my unlocked 8700c to my laptop with USB using t-mobie and had good reults.
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Like you, I was not unhappy with my old BB (a 7290), although I knew when I bought it (switching from a Palm m515 and a separate cell, a Sony E. T610) that I was sacrificing a number of conveniences. When I caught wind of the 8700's features this summer, including the increased memory, faster chip and a number of other gadgety niceties, however, I rushed out and bought it the first day Cingular offered it, and at full price. (It still fulfills my initial two-year contract, but that probably wasn't an issue since I'm happy with Cingular...)

I suspect that when T-Mo offers it in a month or so, you won't find much of a deal on the price for awhile and, if you're flush with Christmas dough , I'd just buy it from T-Mo so you know you're what you're getting. I consider my 8700 a significant advance in RIM's BB/cell units: the screen is significantly brighter, Web browsing is fast and efficient, and I no longer feel like I'm "missing out." While I don't store the amount of e-mail you do, I can assure you that this unit's memory handles it well and quite quickly (v. my old 7290).
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I am in the same boat, I have tmobile and I have been looking on ebay for the 8700C, I did not know that we could go to Cingular and buy the 8700 unlocked. Is that really possible?
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Apparently it is - but as was said above, you'll pay a steep premium and it may not be worth it. If you buy it now from Cingular you'll pay $450 plus $50 to unlock it, i.e. $500 plus tax.

If you wait 1.5-2 months, you can get it from T-Mobile and my hunch is you'll be able to get it for $350 if you sign a yearlong service contract. Plus there will be no unlocking fee.

So basically you have to ask yourself if you're willing to pay as much as $150 so that you don't have to wait until February when T-Mobile comes out with it.

A couple of other factors worth consideration:

There is no GUARANTEE that T-Mobile will come out with it right away. It might take until March or later. But I personally would feel stupid if I shelled out $150 more than I had to only to see a much better deal come along in like 40 days.

Also, T-Mobile's 8700 variant may be better than Cingular's because it comes out a bit later in the product cycle. Also, it might come in a different color and you will be able to get T-mobile branding.

Perhaps most importantly, buying through T-Mobile means you can use their insurance plan. Buy through Cingular and you just get their limited 1-year warranty plus you're not a customer so they may not feel any particular commitment to you.
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The price may also be lower than $350 that I paid (but have a $50 rebate), so my out the door price was $299. After the 90 day exclusive, there will be competition and thus the price and deals may exist, like the current Amazon price for $199/Cingular 2 year deal.

I would wait the 6 weeks, the EDGE is wonderful, but the 72xx is more durable to me, and it will also allow them to get a few bugs worked out, like the dust under the screen issue. It might even be in black like the rogers
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