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Old 12-26-2005, 11:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am ready to add Blackberry to my life. I will use it primarily as a data device because I have a lovely voice plan on another carrier and I am still under contract. So my plan will be Unlimited Data because I will use it for email, messenging and browsing

I have been spending months reviewing and reading the forums. I am torn between the 7250 or 8700c. I have never been this split on a hw purchase.
I have read barJohns reviews and post in addition to the other threads such as 7250 vs 8700 web browsing king

Pros/Cons of both as I see it
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Pros: Cheaper via discount, EVDO, best coverage of providers, stable technology
Cons: older technology, not as sexy as 8700

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Pros: EDGE, sexier, view attachments better, (mute point: could possibly be upgraded to 3G)
Cons: expensive compared to 7250, EDGE can be a bit slower, dust problems and possible other issues with a v1 release of a device, service issues can arise

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Old 12-26-2005, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Add the dust problem to the 8700 cons. I'd wait on the 8700 until this is fixed.
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I am torn between the 7130 and the 8700. I have chosen to wait until the dust / other casing issues are resolved with the 8700 and then I will buy the 8700.

My perfect scenario would be the 8700 on Verizon.
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I am torn between the 7130 and the 8700. I have chosen to wait until the dust / other casing issues are resolved with the 8700 and then I will buy the 8700.

My perfect scenario would be the 8700 on Verizon.
No one (at least no one talking) knows when Verizon will release the 8700 on their network, but they will..

If what you want is the 8700 on Verizon AND you're waiting for the dust issue to be resolved, I would wait until Verizon releases the 8700 (or at least give them a few months )
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I think it's more important to first choose the best carrier for you then ther device.
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I think it's more important to first choose the best carrier for you then ther device.
Agree here, the coverage is the key in my book. I can have the fastest the newest the sexiest thing in the world in my hands and fail to connect or have disconnect problems. I need the device to conduct my business, view e-mail, do some light browsing, and occassionally make some calls. In my case I am in the NJ area and I happen to like the coverage I am getting with Verizon on my 7250.
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I also agree with the coverage situation and from my view verizon has the best coverage of all providers. I will mainly be in the NY area and both cingular and verizon have decent coverage while verizon may be better in certain spots and strength of signal.
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I think it's more important to first choose the best carrier for you then ther device.


Couldn't agree more. In the end, these are COMMUNICATION devices. If you can't communicate, they're useless.

You couldn't GIVE me an 8700 at the moment because that would mean using Cingular, and where I live, Cingular is absolutely horrible!
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Right now the 7130 has the edge. If the 8700 does go to HSPDA then the 8700 will be favored until the next EVDO upgrade since it will do voice and data at the same time, but the EVDO revision should also occur in 2006.

I have never had any Cingular coverage issues traveling throughout the US, but others have so if you know where your usage is, then that is most important. VZ and Cingular seem to me to pretty equivalent and far better than TM on coverage.
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Verizon has good coverage in this area for phone, but no EVDO coverage. I actually don't know ANYONE here that has Cingular, because they are new to this area. While I know carrier maps can't be trusted, but it would appear, even allowing for overstatement, Cingular would have good coverage in this area. So......the decision between a 7130 and 8700 based on carrier is fairly even as well.

I currently have a 7100t on TMo....definitly need to change carriers. But as much as I want to change NOW, I can be patient for a few months and see what shakes out. I am sure I will not wait until 8700 is on Verizon; that will surely be much to long.
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Verizon has good coverage in this area for phone, but no EVDO coverage. I actually don't know ANYONE here that has Cingular, because they are new to this area. While I know carrier maps can't be trusted, but it would appear, even allowing for overstatement, Cingular would have good coverage in this area. So......the decision between a 7130 and 8700 based on carrier is fairly even as well.

I currently have a 7100t on TMo....definitly need to change carriers. But as much as I want to change NOW, I can be patient for a few months and see what shakes out. I am sure I will not wait until 8700 is on Verizon; that will surely be much to long.
In my opinion, with all the buggy issues know in this forum, even if they are not super critical, I would rather wait till Verizon has it and they have ironed out all the bugs, but only if they make some serious design modfications to make it sized closer to the 7250 and sturdier case as the 7250. Besides that as I posted in another thread, I am in NJ and I compared side by side an 8700 with Edge, and a 7250 with EVDO, and the 7250 was saster hands down. So bottom line is that as far as I am concerned other than the nicer screen I am extremely happy with the 7250 as is.
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I had the 7250 and I currently have the 7290 and the 8700. The 8700 wins hands down in my book. It has far fewer issues than either of the other units and the dust problem is not as big as the forum would have you believe. Yes it does happen to some units and no one knows why yet but I have had a unit since the release without any of the problems. The cellphone aspect of the unit is the best of ANY BlackBerry and that is super critical to me. I have used it traveling through the U.S. and even internationally. I had EDGE service off the cost of Mexico in Cozumel and Costa Maya and in Grand Cayman. Try that with a 7250. No service is what you get. Also go to Europe and you will be glad you have an 8700. In other words if coverage is only for your local area because you never travel, then a 7250 is fine, but if you travel and still want to communicate almost anywhere in the world, including getting email, then the 8700 is for you. The sound quality will be better on the 8700 and you have a speakerphone that you don't have on the 7250. EVDO is the only advantage you gain on a 7250 and the speed difference is really only visible on tethering. Don't get me wrong, the 7250 is a good unit but the pros of the 8700 far outweigh the negatives. Further you will have VZW's ungodly long delay to do anything. Look how long after the 7250 was released before they offered an upgrade and how long before they offered EVDO. If I were seeing any real problems that can't be attributed to a defective unit I would post it and make sure RIM knew about it. I have made them aware of any problem that seemed to be repeatable and there have been few other than the dust one and that problem is being addressed and I am sure will be resolved. Personally, I like the slimmer case of the 8700 but I would not have objected if they had made it wider to accomodate the 7290 keyboard with the added keys the 8700 has. If push-to-talk and UMTS become available this will be THE Smartphone to beat.
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I would never leave GSM. I like to be able to put my SIM in any gsm phone/pda device I am in the mood for at the time. SOmetime I like to test new devices etc for the weekend.
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Here too. It is not always that one would want to carry the their BB, time away from business is always good. That is why I use the V3 and other phones when I need my rest from work. Also, like barjohn said it is an excelent voice unit and the quality is none of the best that I have encountered so far. I have had the 8700 since the first of December and I have not experienced th dust issue and have not had one single issue with it. I am also very picky person and if there one single thing wrong with any thing I buy it either goes back for a replacement or just return and stay away fro it. Oh yes, I in long Island and been using it in NYC, NJ, PA, MD, VA and DC and have not had any problems with the service. It actualy picks up beeter than any other regular GSM handset. In one location no one can keep a conversation going for more than one minute (that applies to Cingular, VXW, Sprint and T Mobile) however, to my surprize the 8700 was perfect and I had my call for as long as I needed. ID di the test and changed the SIM to a SE, V3, Moto A780 and Noika and on all of them the calls were bad and couldn't hold the call for even a minute
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I had the 7250 and I currently have the 7290 and the 8700. The 8700 wins hands down in my book. It has far fewer issues than either of the other units and the dust problem is not as big as the forum would have you believe. Yes it does happen to some units and no one knows why yet but I have had a unit since the release without any of the problems. The cellphone aspect of the unit is the best of ANY BlackBerry and that is super critical to me. I have used it traveling through the U.S. and even internationally. I had EDGE service off the cost of Mexico in Cozumel and Costa Maya and in Grand Cayman. Try that with a 7250. No service is what you get. Also go to Europe and you will be glad you have an 8700. In other words if coverage is only for your local area because you never travel, then a 7250 is fine, but if you travel and still want to communicate almost anywhere in the world, including getting email, then the 8700 is for you. The sound quality will be better on the 8700 and you have a speakerphone that you don't have on the 7250. EVDO is the only advantage you gain on a 7250 and the speed difference is really only visible on tethering. Don't get me wrong, the 7250 is a good unit but the pros of the 8700 far outweigh the negatives. Further you will have VZW's ungodly long delay to do anything. Look how long after the 7250 was released before they offered an upgrade and how long before they offered EVDO. If I were seeing any real problems that can't be attributed to a defective unit I would post it and make sure RIM knew about it. I have made them aware of any problem that seemed to be repeatable and there have been few other than the dust one and that problem is being addressed and I am sure will be resolved. Personally, I like the slimmer case of the 8700 but I would not have objected if they had made it wider to accomodate the 7290 keyboard with the added keys the 8700 has. If push-to-talk and UMTS become available this will be THE Smartphone to beat.
I completely agree with your comments hence the thread I started around combining the 7290 and 8700 or "where is the perfect blackberry? Where is the perferct Blackberry?????? However, now I am really bugged about this whole dust issue. In fact I have yet to remove the plastic that covers the screen...**sigh**. Do you feel that this is something worth contacting RIM over before it occurs? As many have stated I see light luminating from the keyboard. Also, like several others point out--one single dust spec will drive me nuts as it did on my Nikon SLR. At this point I am convinced the 7290 (which I still have) is best for data and the Razr V3 for phone. However, I agree that the phone quality on the 8700 is GREAT! What to do...what to do??
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