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Old 12-26-2005, 02:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've looked around (both on Google and this site) for an application that will allow me to browse the files on my BB (8700) in much the same way you can use Windows Explorer to browse the windows file system. I can see that there is some sort of file structure (when browsing pictures and ringtones, et. al) but I can't see how I can 'explore' said structure.
Ideally, I'd like to use it to copy ringtones, pictures, etc from my desktop to my BB. Does anyone know of such a utility?

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Old 12-26-2005, 03:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can't see how I can 'explore' said structure... Does anyone know of such a utility?
You might try eFile from DynoPlex. It's free. Here's a link: http://www.rimroad.com/software/rim1...-rim-rim1.html.

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You might try eFile from DynoPlex. It's free. Here's a link: http://www.rimroad.com/software/rim1...-rim-rim1.html.
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I tried using it but I can't seem to connect to/browse my BB...

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I tried using it but I can't seem to connect to/browse my BB.
It has been some time since I used it. As I remember, it doesn't let you transfer files between your PC and BlackBerry, but it does let you see the BlackBerry file structure, rename files, and move files from directory to directory.

Edit: According to one of the comments on the Rim Road site, it's supposed to be able to transfer files between the BlackBerry and PC.

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It has been some time since I used it. As I remember, it doesn't let you transfer files between your PC and BlackBerry, but it does let you see the BlackBerry file structure, rename files, and move files from directory to directory.
Edit: According to one of the comments on the Rim Road site, it's supposed to be able to transfer files between the BlackBerry and PC.
I was able to get it to transfer files from my PC to my BB. However, the only way I was able to view the transferred files was if I opened up the eFile app on my BB. Additionally, the eFile app could only view files transferred to it from the eFile desktop PC client. It wasn't able to view any of the files in the BB file structure. Finally, I was unable to copy any of these transferred files to the BB file structure. :(

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the eFile app could only view files transferred to it from the eFile desktop PC client. It wasn't able to view any of the files in the BB file structure. Finally, I was unable to copy any of these transferred files to the BB file structure. :(
That doesn't sound very useful. At least it didn't cost any money to try it.

This is pure speculation, but if RIM ever decides to add a camera and card slot to a BlackBerry, they would probably need to add a built-in file utility.

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There is a reason that RIM limits access to the internal file structure, it's salled security. The BB is a comunication tool for businesses first. This is the primary market for RIM and will resist allowing more access to the internal file structure due to security concerns. You might want to checkout the developers forum at blackberry.com and learn more.

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The BB is a comunication tool for businesses first. This is the primary market for RIM and will resist allowing more access to the internal file structure due to security concerns.
I agree with everything you've said, but I wouldn't exclude the possibility that RIM might someday split the BlackBerry lines into two distinct branches.

Again, this is speculation and not based on any proprietary information. A flip-style consumer-oriented phone could look different enough that businesses could safely ban them from sensitive locations. The downside to this strategy would be that it might necessitate two distinct operating systems -- or at least, a software environment that keeps a rigid wall between the pure-business and pure-consumer models.

Security is job one for RIM, and there would be no point expanding into new consumer areas if it meant jeopardizing their current markets, particularly government sales.

Another reason RIM has been slow to adopt new technologies is their concern with maximizing battery life. That slowed down the introduction of color and brighter screens. Built-in cameras (especially with a flash) and MP3 playback are still a big drain on the battery. Most businesses couldn’t care less about these two features, especially if they run down the battery and cause an employee to miss an important phone call or e-mail.

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I think that if RIM ever does branch out into consumer oriented products, they won't be marketed under the Blackberry trademark. Security is too important to their original market base and yes, I also think there would be a marked difference iin the two OSs. Where I work, we are subject to random checks as to whether or not a cell phone has a camera, which are prohibited from company property. They see the blackberry and just pass it without a problem. Others tke longer because they check the menus. .

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Quick question - what do you mean under "internal BB file file structure"? BlackBerry OS does not really have a file structure, everything in stored in Java objects. You can store files like attachments, images and ringtones, but these storages are independent by themselves and do not make a file system.

We have actually written a file system for file storage on BB ourselves. eFile is a browser (like Windows Explorer) to this file system and all our applications use it.
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