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Stinsonddog 02-15-2006 09:57 AM

8700 Modem - Cingular Orange Update
 
One user over at the Cingular forum reported success by using the following dial in number:

*99***1#

I have updated my tips document.

Obsidiank 02-15-2006 11:23 AM

Am I the only one? or is it crazy pills
 
Am I the only one who finds it extremely humorous that after 3 months of discussion on Cingular data charges and ways to use the BB as a modem, that there is still debate. Every single week someone comes up with a new theory on why you'll charged or why it doesn't work. Cingular (employees, supposedly), post things like..."wap.cingular is not included in UNL BB".

On this thread right here NEED REAL INFO

someone says that you need WIX pay per use to third party apps like google local and ramble.

Am I on crazy pills, that all this stuff has been covered and rehashed over and over again?

I set my stuff up in early December and never touched it again.

If I want to use my ramble or third party apps I make sure this is there
APN: wap.cingular
User Name: [email address]
Password: CINGULAR1

If I want to use it as a modem, I just plug it in and use the settings found in the FAQ. Here it is on page 5 of the FAQ, posted by Rhinton

All,

IMPORTANT SPECIAL CONFIGURATION STEP
Click Properties -> Advanced and add only ONE of the following Extra initialization commands with the appropriate carrier-specific APN Setting:

For Cingular:
+cgdcont=1,"IP","WAP.CINGULAR"

Then on step 9 "Add a New Internet Connection"
1. Click Next

2. Select "Connect To The Internet" then Next

3. Select "Set up my connection manually" then Next

4. Select "Connect using a dial-up modem" then Next.

5. Check only the Standard Modem (if prompted).

6. Give the connection a name such as "BlackBerry Modem", then Next.

7. On the next screen, pick one of the following phone numbers, depending on your carrier: Cingular use *99#

8. Click Next.

9. On the next screen, pick one of the following, depending on your carrier:

....If you use Cingular:
.........Username: [email address]
.........Password: CINGULAR1

10. Clear all checkboxes ("Use...when anyone..." and "Make this the default...")

11. Click Finish

Once the the connection has been created, check the properties page, Networking Tab, Settings: make sure that "Enable Software Compression" is unchecked. I have not played with this much, but my settings are set under the TCP/IP properties > Advanced > General tab, "Use IP Header Compression" is checked.

Explanation for using the wap.cingular APN as opposed to the isp.cingular? According to the Cingular tech, there are three APN's that are available and provisioned on the GPRS network: 1) blackberry.net - used for connection and transport to the BES server. 2) wap.cingular - used for internet connections (browsing, etc.) from the Blackberry. 3) isp.cingular - used for all other services (Laptop Connect for example, which for unlimited service is $79.99!)

If you use the wap.cingular, it is tagged as WAP traffic, therfore billed as if the traffic originated from the browser of your Blackberry!


To be honest, I am not going to say I know the absolute truth. I just know my truth which is using the above settings thing have worked for me for the past three months and I have never been charged anything additional. I use ramble fairly often, and use my BB as a modem probably once a week.

Anyone not agree?

Stinsonddog 02-15-2006 03:40 PM

What about the dial in number
 
I think you should repost in the I NEED REAL INFO thread what you said. But I am curious about what number you dial.

lgreenberg 02-15-2006 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsidiank
To be honest, I am not going to say I know the absolute truth. I just know my truth which is using the above settings thing have worked for me for the past three months and I have never been charged anything additional. I use ramble fairly often, and use my BB as a modem probably once a week.

Anyone not agree?

Is Ramble the only third party data reliant app which you use?

MikeK2 02-15-2006 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsidiank
For Cingular:
AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","wap.cingular","",0,0

Then on step 9 "Add a New Internet Connection"
1. Click Next

2. Select "Connect To The Internet" then Next

3. Select "Set up my connection manually" then Next

4. Select "Connect using a dial-up modem" then Next.

5. Check only the Standard Modem (if prompted).

6. Give the connection a name such as "BlackBerry Modem", then Next.

7. On the next screen, pick one of the following phone numbers, depending on your carrier: Cingular use *99#

8. Click Next.

9. On the next screen, pick one of the following, depending on your carrier:

....If you use Cingular:
.........Username: [email address]
.........Password: CINGULAR1

10. Clear all checkboxes ("Use...when anyone..." and "Make this the default...")

11. Click Finish


I just got the above to work with my Cingular Orange account. The ISP version did not work for me. Interenstingly though, I had to remove the ,"",0,0 from the end of the string or I received 692 errors.

So far, it looks like it's readlly slow though, and it's almost like there are some DNS issues with the connection I have because some things are having trouble loading at all like my Outlook Web Access for my work email.

I'm interested in any and all tweaks to this. :smile:

Mike

Obsidiank 02-15-2006 07:52 PM

I also use verichat for yahoo, and google local. that's about it

the 0,0" might be erroneus, I will remove it

MikeK2 02-15-2006 07:54 PM

The only thing I notice is that my connection is very, very sporadic. Data comes in spurts so there is quite a bit of lag before pages load, if they load at all.

Anyone have any idea why that might be?

I will say that my laptop had never had the BB Desktop installed before this evening, and I didn't sync anything on the laptop because I still don't really understand that process and didn't want to mess anything up on my BB. Might that have anything to do with it?

Mike

Obsidiank 02-15-2006 07:58 PM

It might have to do wiht yur edge connection. I've once written for two hrs on a bus from NY to Boston and had continuous internet service.

On the contrary, I've sat at LGA and had it run slow to a crawl.

I travel a lot an notice that my edge connection is noticably faster in Boston than NY, than say..OHIO or ATLANTA

MikeK2 02-15-2006 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obsidiank
I travel a lot an notice that my edge connection is noticably faster in Boston than NY, than say..OHIO or ATLANTA

Funny you mention Ohio. I live in Cleveland, and have actually noticed some pretty slow, as in slower than my non-EV-DO Sprint connection, speeds when browsing with my BB.

Maybe that's it. I guess I'll just have to try it more when I travel next to see.

chrisnol 02-24-2006 10:22 PM

The post below was on the Cingular support forum today. I don't know if it works or if it is much different than the processes posted on this great forum

"Well after much time. I'm happy to report success. I now have my 8700C connected to my PC as a modem and it functions. As for my experience I was able to find out that some interesting informaiton which I will try to outline below.

If you have a Cingular unlimited data plan then you are able to call 800-331-0500 and ask to be transfered to Cingulars Data Product Team located in Washinton State. They walked me through everything and eventually got me up and running.

For the most part the documentation provided at this url http://supportcingular.atgnow.com/cn...e/KB53592.html provides accurate directions for configuring your 8700C. I did deviate from the process some.

Step 1:
Verify that BlackBerry DeskTop manager and BB Device Manager are installed on your PC, and able to see your BB8700C. After installing BB DeskTop you will have to run each application and verify communications with yur 8700C. This installation of BB manager installs the modem port and modem device within Device manager for you.

BlackBerry DeskTop Manager 4.1 - 33.8MB file https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads...b5184b5d4f39TR

Step2: Right click "my computer"--> Properties --> Hardware Tab--> Go to Device Manager --> Modems--> std modem-->right click--> properties. Then --> Diagnostics Tab --> Query Modem. If you get a reply from the modem move on. If no reply see note below.
NOTE: BB Device Manager must be running for windows to see the modem.

Step 3: Right click "my computer"--> Properties --> Hardware Tab--> Go to Device Manager --> Modems--> std modem-->right click--> properties. Then --> Advanced Tab --> intialization commands --> type at+cgdcont=1,"IP","isp.cingular
NOTE: type the intialization string with no spaces exactly as above

Step 4: Right click "My Network Places" --> Properties -->create new network connection (upper right) --> connect to internet --> Next --> setup connection manually --> Next --> connect using dial up networking --> next--> (select only the modem that you queryed it should be on a com port) --> next --> ISP NAME ( what ever you want to call it) --> Next --> Phone number --> *99# --> next --> Username --> (all caps) [email address] --> password --> (all caps) CINGULAR1--> confirm --> next --> next

Step 5: Give it a shot... and good luck.. but make sure that BB Device manager is running and your 8700C is connected. Otherwise it won't work.

Good luck.."

sn22 02-25-2006 07:51 PM

I used Obsidiank's settings above on my 8700C and was able to establish a connection at 115kbps but when i opened IE all I get is page not found errors??? Any ideas??? I have BB unlimited data too if that matters. Thanks for this post too!
Scott

chrisnol 02-25-2006 10:03 PM

Try this below --it is a text copy of the linked page on the Cingular Link shown on the original post. If you actually go to that link it is shown more graphically and you will get further "sublinks" for various related subjects, including "page not found". Please postbback after you try some of this stuff.

I just went back and grabbed this link for you. Here it is:

http://supportcingular.atgnow.com/cn...e/KB53011.html

Device has a connection, but is unable to browse the Internet. (KB53011)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FACT:
Cingular Communication Manager 5.x
Cingular Connection Manager 4.x
Communication Manager 4.x
Novatel Mobilink Wireless Manager
Sony Ericsson Wireless Manager
Sierra Watcher


SYMPTOM:
Device has a connection, but is unable to browse the Internet.
Unable to pass data
Modem / Tethering
Accessing HTML


FIX:

Validate browser is set to automatically detect settings. Close all browser sessions and relaunch browser.
If using Cingular Communication Manager ONLY: Attempt to disable Internet Explorers manual proxy settings in Cingular Communication Manager.
Cingular Communication Manager 5.x
Cingular Connection Manager 4.x
Communication Manager 4.x
If still unable to access sites, access the Device Manager and verify that the device is showing "Enabled" under Network Adapters.
Close all browser sessions and relaunch browser.
NOTE: Otherwise Connection software will show that the customer is connected, but they will not obtain an IP address and will be unable to browse the web.
If using Cingular Communication Manager ONLY: If still unable to access sites, uninstall ByteMobile Acceleration Client:
Select Tools, scroll to and select Settings.
Select the Acceleration tab.
Select Uninstall.
A pop up box appears, "You will need to reboot the computer after this operation. Do you want to proceed?" Click OK.
Relaunch browser.
If using Cingular Communication Manager ONLY: If able to access sites, but experiencing issues with images, picture and/or page load speed verify settings in Cingular Communication Manager.
Cingular Communication Manager 5.x
Cingular Connection Manager 4.x
Communication Manager 4.x
If still unable to access sites type 170.35.236.77 address bar (an IP address for cingular.com). If IP address is resolved to web page, but typing www.cingular.com does not work, call Cingular Customer Care.



NOTE:

Related Topics:

New and existing Cingular Wireless Customers:

Error: "Page cannot be displayed" or "Page not found"
Error: "This page is not available offline"
Former AT&T Wireless Customers:

Error: "Page cannot be displayed" or "Page not found"
Error: "This page is not available offline"

gopher_49 02-26-2006 03:17 PM

Do you get Edge speeds? When I use the above configuration I'm able to surf, however, only at dialup speeds. I'm using an 8700c on the Edge network.

gopher_49 02-26-2006 03:26 PM

I follow your instructions and I see a HUGE difference in performance. When connecting to the ISP APN I was getting dialup speeds via my 8700c on the Edge network. Now that I connect using the WAP APN I get the Edge speeds. I'm blown away by the performance increase. This is sweet! If any of you are using your 8700 for a modem make sure to use the WAP APN for it delivers the true Edge performance.

thanks!

chrisnol 02-26-2006 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopher_49
I follow your instructions and I see a HUGE difference in performance. When connecting to the ISP APN I was getting dialup speeds via my 8700c on the Edge network. Now that I connect using the WAP APN I get the Edge speeds. I'm blown away by the performance increase. This is sweet! If any of you are using your 8700 for a modem make sure to use the WAP APN for it delivers the true Edge performance.

thanks!

What settings do you need to change to switch from the ISP APN to the WAP APN? THANKS

jnelson2000 02-26-2006 04:37 PM

+cgdcont=1,"IP","WAP.CINGULAR"

*99#

[email address]
CINGULAR1

tc94040 02-26-2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnelson2000
+cgdcont=1,"IP","WAP.CINGULAR"

*99#

[email address]
CINGULAR1

I've tried this and the different varients listed in the different forums. However, I'm still getting the dreaded Error 736. Argh!

I've also confirmed that all error checking/ compression is turned off (the various settings).

jnelson2000 02-26-2006 04:53 PM

Need the BlackBerry Connect UNL on acct. The retail BB UNL does not include WAP access. Internet PPU does include WAP but at a kb charge.

Obsidiank 02-26-2006 06:05 PM

Do not use ISP APN. You will get charged.

sn22 02-27-2006 09:47 PM

man, ive messed with this for two days and cant get it!!! I am connecting fine using the WAP APN but just cant browse, all I get is page not found errors using firefox and IE...what is the "Blackberry Connect UNL" on account that jnelson2000 refers to above? How do you check to see if you have it??
Thanks, Scott


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