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Old 04-01-2006, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just ordered my 8700c from Cingular and I have a few questions.
I will be operating in a Mac environment...
- What accessories come in the box?
- Will I need to download anything to allow me to read pdf files attached to incoming emails?
- Is pocketMac the best/only option available for syncing with my desktop?
- Is Zen something that would be useful?

Thanks, I look forward to some helpful information.
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Old 04-01-2006, 12:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There is a Mac users forum... Search Feature and many other things to help you...
Now to answer out of the box and after you download pocket mac you will be able to sync it with the mac stuff or entourage. I am one of those lucky people that syncs without any issues, though there are others that have issues syncing... Acc. should be a charger, usb cable, and belt clip, and software. i don't know about the other 2
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It's helpful to either have a spare PC or a friend who's a PC BlackBerry user. Access to a PC is a must for any Mac BlackBerry user. OS upgrades/reinstalls, software, etc. are much easier with a PC.

Even though I sync without issue using PocketMac, I'm seriously considering buying a cheepo Dell desktop for $299. It'll just make my life a whole lot simpler when it comes to maintaining the OS and software on the BlackBerry.
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I bought the cheapest Dell laptop I could find about 6 months ago ($399) for the sole purpose of using it with my BB. I guess that means I have a $600 BB 8700c...

As much of a Mac user as I am, the Dell comes in handy for sure. I an on a BES so syncing isn't a problem, but you need the App Loader on the DM.

JWK - check out these products for syncing. I use the GroupCal and it is awesome. Is syncs the Apple iCal and Tasks with your BB directly from your Mac.

http://www.snerdware.com/groupcal/

http://www.snerdware.com/addressx/

I would also suggest getting a BES so you can use the OWA when needed, and wireless syncing is priceless...
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Wow!
I really appreciate the information. But more questions... Don't want to sound like a moron, however...
- What is a BES?
- What is a OWA?
- Need some help understanding the "App loader on the DM."

When you talk about wireless syncing you are referring to a sync between BB and computer via bluetooth, correct?

I found the Mac forum but thought these questions might be generic enough for this forum.

Thanks for the info.
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BES = Blackberry Enterprise Server
With your service you get
BIS= Blackberry Internet Service (or something like that)
OWA= I'm not sure
The App loader only works on PC's us Mac users dont have one yet unfortunatly.
SYnc with BB's can only be done with the USB cable not with Bluetooth...
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Wow!
I really appreciate the information. But more questions... Don't want to sound like a moron, however...
- What is a BES?
- What is a OWA?
- Need some help understanding the "App loader on the DM."

When you talk about wireless syncing you are referring to a sync between BB and computer via bluetooth, correct?

I found the Mac forum but thought these questions might be generic enough for this forum.

Thanks for the info.
No, it is not syncing via bluetooth - it is wirelessly syncing through the BB unlimited data plan. Welcome to the future...or present, I guess...

Ok, a BES is a BlackBerry Enterprise Server, which is either operated by a company you work for, or it is a service you pay for through a Hosted BES company such as www.link2exchange.com, www.exchangemymail.com or www.mailstreet.com. It basically allows you to synchronize all your contacts, calendar, emails and tasks between your BB and a Microsoft Exchange account (which is provided with the BES acct.). So, if you have a BES enabled then whenever you make a change to your data (contacts, calendar, email or task) it will automatically sync that change with your Exchange accout, meaning that change will occur in your Microsoft Outlook program (if using a PC), and on your OWA (Outlook Web Access) account (included with your BES acct - it is a replica of Microsoft Outlook, only in an online version so you can access it anywhere from an internet enabled computer, Macs included).

Now for us Mac users (I'm addicted myself), we have a bit more difficulty since most of this is designed for PCs. I use link2exchange for my hosted BES, and they actually helped me get it syncing with my Apple Mail program! But, it cannot sync tasks and iCal, that's where GroupCal comes in. I an testing GroupCal from Snerdware and so far it is awesome. It syncs all Calendars on my iCal, and all the tasks, with the BES/Microsoft Exchange account. So with that enabled I have my email, iCal and tasks all synced between my BB and my Mac, and available online in the OWA whenever I need it (rare).

I am also testing the AddressX program from Snerdware as well, but I am not having luck. I think since it is limited to a certain number of contacts you can sync I am not getting the results I am looking for, but I am emailing them about it and will post back in here when I get it working.

Now as for the App Loader. That is a method of loading applications onto your BB via a Windows PC. Since you don't have one it does not apply to you. I do suggest, if possible, you get access to a PC for use with the BB. Hopefully you have an old PC laying around the house, or something. I actually bought the cheapest Dell laptop I could find ($399) just to use with my BB! The only reason is that it makes life easier to be able to use the DM (Desktop Manager) with the app loader on it, as well as other settings. Otherwise, you have to load all your BB programs onto your BB via OTA (Over The Air), and that is a pain, and sometimes not available. That means installing a progrm directly from your BB's browser and not using a computer. And some programs do not have OTA versions available for installation, and you will have to use a PC and the app loader on the DM to do so (following me with the abbreviations?).

So that's it in a nutshell. All of this is actually discussed in nseveral locations on the forum, but sometimes I get the urge to just spit it all out for a newcomer, so there you go. Ask away with other questions (after you search the forum yourself, of course...)!
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BES = Blackberry Enterprise Server
With your service you get
BIS= Blackberry Internet Service (or something like that)
OWA= I'm not sure
The App loader only works on PC's us Mac users dont have one yet unfortunatly.
SYnc with BB's can only be done with the USB cable not with Bluetooth...
Syncing can def be done via bluetooth, if you need help, let me know..
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Man you guys are so hip! That is some great info. I am gathering this info so I will be better able to set up the BB for my wife. The BB will primarily be used for email.

If I understand things... Tell me if I have this right...

- With the new BB from Cingular, with the Blackberry Unlimited Data plan, I do not need the BES, right?
- With the Cingular plan and pocketmac (is it really FREE???) I will be able to sync Entourage (email and calendar)?

Again, thanks a TON!

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I can't comment on the mac questions but you do NOT need BES, you can use BIS( blackberry internet service ) to set up all your blackberry and e-mail needs. If you need any help, let us know....
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I'm a Mac user too. I installed the recent Entourage upgrade which is supposed to enable syncing with AddressBook, iCal and handhelds (and seems to do the trick with my wife's Treo). Do I still need PocketMac or GroupCal in order to sync a BB? Thanks.
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Syncing can def be done via bluetooth, if you need help, let me know..
i'd like to know more about this.
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I have a 8700r and I use Entourage to sync with my 5 year old G3 iMac running 10.4.6. I started with the Palm Organizer (originally the Claris Organizer) in 1996 and ported it from Palm to my Sony Clie to the Entourage Software and then I have been using it this way since day one. Occasionally PocketMac hangs I have to restart Entourage. Has anybody else experienced this?
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