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Old 04-14-2006, 10:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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As a long time sk2 user recently switched over to a 7105t, I wanted to give my impressions of the differences, and strengths and weaknesses of the two. I'm sure this has been rehashed before, but thought I'd throw my 2 cents into the ring.

*DISCLAIMER* I'm still learning about the BB, so if there is misinformation, please correct me... it's just based on what I've learned/seen so far. Also, everything in here is of course an opinion, feel free to disagree ;)

OS: Danger vs. Blackberry:
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This one is perhaps the biggest thing for me to comment on, that being ease of use of the OS. I have to say, right off the bat, I find the Danger OS easier to work with. It is, in my opinion, much more intuitive. A couple of examples:

First off, lets say that I'm sending a text message. In both OS's, I can scroll to the contact, press the scroll wheel in, and hit create message. I type my message out, and am ready to send. In the BB OS, I have to push the scroll wheel in and scroll to send, then press again. 3 distinct actions. On the sk2, I can press the green phone key and the message is sent. One press.

Another example: when I'm in the browser of the blackberry, and I find a link, I press one key to go to that link... in the BB I have to bring up the scroll wheel context menu, then press again to go to the link.

*Now, I'm the first to say that there are things about the BB OS that I don't know. For all I know (and I'm sure you will tell me) there are keys that will accomplish the same thing in the BB without using the scroll context menu. But be that as it may, the point remains that in the sk these things are apparent, and very intuitive. Even if they exist in the BB, they are not obvious...

Winner in the OS Intuitiveness (if that's a word) contest? Sidekick II

3rd Party Programs:
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This one is easy. The BB has, what, something like 5000 apps available for it right now? All easily loaded via USB or OTA? The SKII has maybe 30, all of which are proprietary and have to be loaded through the catalog.

No contest here. RSS reader for BB? Yes. RSS for SKII? No. (unless you have a dev key).

Clear Winner: Blackberry

Keyboard:
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*This is specific to the 7105t*

This is a tough one for me. On the one hand, the skII is one of the best qwerty keyboards out there in my opinion. It's easy to use, well spaced, etc.

But that doesn't change the fact that suretype, once I got used to it, has made my emails look a LOT more professional. I'm college educated, well read, etc... but that doesn't change the fact that I can't spell worth a damn. With the skII, I'm on my own, as there isn't a spell checker anywhere on it. With the 7105t, suretype does a lot of that spell checking for me (through the world suggestions). Not to mention there are 3rd party spell checkers available for BB anyway.

Winner by slight margin: 7105t

Push Email
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This one is an easy one for me. The sidekick II's push function works great. it does what it says, end of story. But in no way is it comparable to the BB. First off, using the BIS, I find that emails to my @tmo.blackberry.net addy get to me quicker. Not by much, but they do (vs. the @tmail.com address). Secondly, the inbox function on the BB has WAY more options on it. And finally, there is the pop type integration with my works outlook web access. Brilliant.

Hands Down Winner: BB

Web Browsing:
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If you've ever used a sidekick, you know this is a silly comparison. The BB will do wap sites. SK2 won't. BB loads in a reasonable amount of time. SK2 takes a week and a half to load a single page.

No Contest: BB

Overall:
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The sk2 has a lot going for it. It's easy to use, and does what it says it will do with aplomb. There are even a couple of legs up on the BB. The IM function of the sk2 (built-in) is way better than the built-in IM on the BB (which of course can be solved with 3rd party apps). But in the end, even after such a short period of use, the BB has proven to be much more robust. Even if all other things were equal, the wealth of 3rd party apps alone would push the BB over the top.

The upcoming sk3 might be something to give the BB a run for it's money, if all the speculation about it's specs is true. But that being said, I don't think you will see the polish in the Danger OS that RIM has achieved anytime soon.

If you want something that is flashy, works well for email, and is easy to use, get a Sidekick 2. If you want something that works great for email, and is MUCH more robust... and has the ability to expand it's program repetoire easily, then the BB is for you.

Overall Winner: Blackberry.

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Old 04-14-2006, 10:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice comparison! Thanks for taking the time to share it with everyone.
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No problem, thanks Doug! Do you know if there are any shortcut keys I'm missing to help avoid the scroll wheel a little more? For example, to send a message, once composed, without choosing Scroll>Send?

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instead of clicking the track wheel to click get link, you can just hit the enter key
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instead of clicking the track wheel to click get link, you can just hit the enter key
Cool! Thanks mikey, that's the kind of stuff I need to learn!

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Yeah I'm on a sk2 and I'm anxiously waiting for my billing period to end so I can switch over to my 7100.

I'm kinda fed-up w/ the sk2's load times and reliability. A couple days ago it reset by itself and erased all my texts for good and I had to turn my sk2 off for a good hour to get back all my emails, contacts, notes, and pictures. And this is all from 1.5 months use of the sk2. I'm excited to switch over to the BB.
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Yeah I'm on a sk2 and I'm anxiously waiting for my billing period to end so I can switch over to my 7100.

I'm kinda fed-up w/ the sk2's load times and reliability. A couple days ago it reset by itself and erased all my texts for good and I had to turn my sk2 off for a good hour to get back all my emails, contacts, notes, and pictures. And this is all from 1.5 months use of the sk2. I'm excited to switch over to the BB.
I'm glad for the reliability issues to go away as well... the infamous 'three dots' on my sk2 started getting REAL old REAL quick.

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I'm glad for the reliability issues to go away as well... the infamous 'three dots' on my sk2 started getting REAL old REAL quick.

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Wow, the "three dot" deal is still going on? I had an sk2 until my friend decided to knock over a bottle of vodka over it. It was by far, the most unreliable phone I've ever owned.
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Wow, the "three dot" deal is still going on? I had an sk2 until my friend decided to knock over a bottle of vodka over it. It was by far, the most unreliable phone I've ever owned.
I had an sk2 for about a year, and it was a monthly thing... sometimes for a few minutes, once for two weeks (March of '05 I believe).

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My biggest issue with the SK2 was the closed OS. No customization, no wallpapers (save on the keyguard screen), no third party apps besides the one supplied in the catalog.

with the blackberry, the options for customization and development are limitless. There's even an app that helps you develop your own themes (plazmic), and it's free!

not to mention the sk2 is a 6mb device. it simply can't handle a lot of the multi-tasking the BB can
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Yeah that was another factor when choosing a BB over the SK2. I wanted 3rd party apps and customization!! The Danger OS is soo limited. And I've been messing around with the SureType and I love it already. I've been customizing what words to input first and what not. I'm starting to get addicted even without the internet use.. What'll happen once I get it fully up and running?? Hahaha
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Web Browsing:
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If you've ever used a sidekick, you know this is a silly comparison. The BB will do wap sites. SK2 won't. BB loads in a reasonable amount of time. SK2 takes a week and a half to load a single page.

No Contest: BB
This is why I stopped using the Sidekick and came running back to BlackBerry. I kept getting numerous errors about the browser timing out and encountering errors trying to view sites. Sidekicks also cannot view sites that feature flash media from my experience.

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I'm glad for the reliability issues to go away as well... the infamous 'three dots' on my sk2 started getting REAL old REAL quick.

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I went thru 2 sidekicks because of this. My first sidekick 2 just up and died while trying to recover from a lost signal. I charged the thing all night and still could not get the thing to turn back on. My second sidekick up and lost signal for 3 hours and I just got tired of waiting to find out if it would ever come back. I promptly called tmobile 2 days later (to give the sk2 time to see if the signal problem would continue and it did) and asked for a BlackBerry. No problems since.

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Make that twice for shutting down unexpectedly and erasing all my data on the SK2. It just happened to me again a couple hours ago. I'm so sick of it.
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Make that twice for shutting down unexpectedly and erasing all my data on the SK2. It just happened to me again a couple hours ago. I'm so sick of it.
even though the data eventually "came back" from danger's backend server, sometimes it could take hours, and in the business world...i can't lose my contacts and e-mails for a few hours
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If I called T-Mo and complained about the SK2 and the data loss, would they replace it with something else? I'm just wondering before I go and wait for an hour on the phone with customer service.. I called last night and while being put back on hold, it said the wait time was 'between 3 hours and 45 minutes and 5 hours'........ Wow
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If u called and complained about the data loss (I had this happen to me once for about 7 hours a few months ago), they will tell u to wait a few hours because the towers were down, or in my case, replace the SK because it died while trying to regain signal. I got tired of hearing this because my brother and sister in law also have tmobile phones with messaging and web access enabled and have zero problems. I had my ex tell me it was my location. Got rid of the SK2, bought a BB 7105t and have had zero problems. Sidekicks are too unstable.

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ive been using hiptop or sk since the black and white era. just switched to bb7290 2months ago. i love my blackberry compared to sks/hiptop. bberry are geared more to college students and profesionals i think. yes hiptops are cool if you are a highschool student. i'm in college now i cant live without my blackberry7920
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I actually had fun with my sidekicks (even being a college student) when they worked. I downloaded 10 Pin, Anagrammed Bunny Chow, Reversi Challenge and several other games on my SK2's. Plus I used AIM and Yahoo Mail and Messengers. My only problem with all 3 of my Sidekicks was the unreliability and unstability of the signal and battery issues. But I still love my BlackBerry better than the Sidekick.
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I miss the ALT+M for sending on the SK2. Wish I could ALT+Enter to send MMS/SMS/emails on the BB.

... will continue to search the forums in the hopes of finding a shortcut for this, lol.
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