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Old 04-19-2006, 05:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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hey , i am brand new to this whole blackberry world.
i always admired and desired a blackberry when i was *ahem* younger, but i could never afford them.
my T-Mobile sidekick 2's keyboard come off completely, so im looking for a new device.
i upgraded to the 8700g immediatley and should be receiving it this week.

i MAINLY want the device for web browsing and "heavy" INSTANT messaging. i made a dire sacrifice for not including text messaging with my plan, i usually average about 4000+ texts per month. but i can live without it.

i was dewing some intense research on the chat programs, and i favored the IM+ program because it wasnt a subscription based service.
there is one problem i have. the software says that "BES" is the better of the two options...i.e "BES" and "BIS". and if i dont have BES, i will need to use the WAP service.
i dont use BES, because i dont work for a company or what not.
i was wondering if anyone has personally had the experience of using IM+ on BIS...and what exactly is BIS? is it really that inferior to BES?

thank you in advance for any input.
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They are different - not "superior" vs. "inferior"

BES is the BlackBerry Enterprise Server, a system that automatically pushes e-mail from your Exchange, Notes or Groupwise mailbox to your BB. The newest versions of BES can also sync your Calendar, Notes, Tasks and Contacts wirelessly. BES can also provide you with some TCP/IP functionality, enhanced web browsing and access to corporate internal resources. BES is either run by your company (I know - you don't work for a company) or can be hosts for you by a third party.

BIS is the BlackBerry Internet Service. BIS is a web based tool developed by RIM which collects e-mail from up to 10 POP-3 e-mail accounts, and forwards that mail directly to your BB.

You can use both, either, or neither (you can always forward e-mail directly to your BB - like from GMail - without using BIS).

There is a Sticky Thread FAQ at the top of the General BlackBerry DIscussion forum with more information, but that's a summary.

Hope that helps.
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Old 04-19-2006, 06:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you for the clarifaction sir.
One question. Do you know how IM+ runs on WAP? Or can u suggest the best IM program I can use/purchase
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Unfortunately I don't do any IM on my BlackBerry. Others here have much more experience. I know that Verichat gets a lot of comments here.
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Hey, I think that BES is superior to BIS ;)

Use Yak-On for chatting. Annual subscription just so I can IM my assistant to bring me a latte is not worth the money! Kidding.
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By the way, after rereading the initial post, I'm not so sure a BB is quite the device for trinybwoy..
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Originally Posted by trinybwoy

i MAINLY want the device for web browsing and "heavy" INSTANT messaging. i made a dire sacrifice for not including text messaging with my plan, i usually average about 4000+ texts per month. but i can live without it.
All I use my BB for is messaging (PIN, text, IM and email). I don't have any voice minutes on it yet but that will change soon hopefully.
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OK.. so If I have Tmobile internet and can have my own server to send email to my BB (domain forwarding etc.) do I need BIS? can BB work with TM Internet package?

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You're going to need BIS unless your server's running BES.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry
They are different - not "superior" vs. "inferior"

BES is the BlackBerry Enterprise Server, a system that automatically pushes e-mail from your Exchange, Notes or Groupwise mailbox to your BB. The newest versions of BES can also sync your Calendar, Notes, Tasks and Contacts wirelessly. BES can also provide you with some TCP/IP functionality, enhanced web browsing and access to corporate internal resources. BES is either run by your company (I know - you don't work for a company) or can be hosts for you by a third party.

BIS is the BlackBerry Internet Service. BIS is a web based tool developed by RIM which collects e-mail from up to 10 POP-3 e-mail accounts, and forwards that mail directly to your BB.

You can use both, either, or neither (you can always forward e-mail directly to your BB - like from GMail - without using BIS).

There is a Sticky Thread FAQ at the top of the General BlackBerry DIscussion forum with more information, but that's a summary.

Hope that helps.
You should put together a page of definitions, like this one, for all the terminology in BB-land.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckWingDuck
By the way, after rereading the initial post, I'm not so sure a BB is quite the device for trinybwoy..
can you please be kind enough as to give a reason for ur recommendation?
i would really love to know what i am getting myslef into before committing to a device.
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