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Old 05-11-2006, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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One of my coworkers just upgraded to a 8700c so I snatched up his old 7100g to try out for a while. I had previously been using a 7780 for email and data with a seperate phone, but merged the two services with the 7100 with the intent of getting a better idea regarding whether I want to upgrade to an 8700c myself or wait until the 7130c comes out. So, while I am seeing how much SureType and I get along I had some questions regarding how much better the 7130 is over the 7100 in some areas.

First, I've read that the 7130 has a better screen than the 7100. The 7100's screen gets pretty washed out in full sun, so how much better is the 7130's screen really?

Second, I've read that the audio quality of the phone in the 7130 is better than the 7100's. Again, how much better is it? Can it be louder, is it a different frequency response, or both? At full volume I find the 7100g to be loud enough in the car, but the audio sounds like it's coming from a tin can. There's no middle-low to low end to the sound.
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I am partial, but my boss uses a 7100, I use a 7130. Mine sounds great, he wishes he wasn't with T-mobile.
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I loved my 7100t with it's shape and size. If it has EDGE internet and 64MB storage, I would still have it but then came the 8700g.
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Quick comparison of the 3 I've had so far:

Browsing: Fastest on my 7105t. The other 2 (7100t and 7730) weren't even close to the speed, even though none feature EDGE or EVDO.

Screen: Best of the 3 is the 7105t. The 7100t was OK in all environments except sunlight. 7730 screen was a complete joke. The 7100s are scratch resistant too.

Phone: 7100t has been the only one of the 3 I've used as a phone and was absolutely perfect unless I forgot my headset when travelling which I once did.

Signal: 7100t and 7105t blow my 7730 out the water. I never went below 2 indicators on either one. I returned my first 7730 due to lack of signal. Only had one incident of lost signal on my first 7100t which warranted a replacement.

Battery life: With a regular battery I got 2-7 days from my 7100t's (depending on usage). I got 1 day out of the 7730. With my extended battery I anticipate 5 or 6 days from my 7105t (am already on day 4).

Keypad/Fit/Feel: The 7100s I've had feel much better in my hand as a phone. SureType beats the heck out of hunt and peck typing on my 7730. I've actually gotten better at typing on notebook keyboard thanks the 7100 series and the bevelled keys on the 7105t. Not looking at the keyboard on my phone or pc. I can even type out a full text message with one thumb if multitasking.

Bluetooth-Non existant on the 7730. All of my 7100 series phones support bluetooth which made handsfree use much easier.

Customizeable, space, memory etc.-The 7100s blow the 7730 out the water here too. I am STILL waiting (although I was told it won't happen) for an OS upgrade for my 7730. Praying T-Mo releases a 4.1 OS upgrade for the 7100s soon. There are none for my 7730. I recently found out that the 77xx series is being phased out because of the lack of memory and upgrades.

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I have the 7130 (verizon) but I've never used the 7100.
but I can tell you about the screen in sunlight.
I too can't read the screen (when in the sun)
Where as I still have an old 7510 (nxtl) which I can easily read the screen (in sunlight).
If you need to use your bb outside then you might want to steer clear of the new style screens until rim comes to their senses.
I had this same problem when I used pocket pc, then when I got the bb (7510) I realized that having a plain readable screen is better then having some fancy beautiful "eye candy" screen that you can only use in artificial light (indoors or night).
If you work inside the it doesn't matter, actually you should then get either the 7130 or 8700 because the screens really are clearer (when inside).
On my 7510 I had to tweak the font size to make it readable.
I actually use the 7510 when I'm in sunlight but use the 7130 when not in sunlight, this is crazy and rim needs to offer a 870x or 713x that still has the old back light screen.
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Screen: Best of the 3 is the 7105t. The 7100t was OK in all environments except sunlight. 7730 screen was a complete joke. The 7100s are scratch resistant too.
I'm curious as to what it was about the screen on the 7730 that you didn't like.

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Phone: 7100t has been the only one of the 3 I've used as a phone and was absolutely perfect unless I forgot my headset when travelling which I once did.
How much better is the audio with a headset?

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Battery life: With a regular battery I got 2-7 days from my 7100t's (depending on usage). I got 1 day out of the 7730. With my extended battery I anticipate 5 or 6 days from my 7105t (am already on day 4).
That's interesting, because so far I've found the battery life of my old 7780 to be better than my 7100g. I use the browser quite a bit, and after a couple short phone calls (no more than a minute or two each) and a web browsing session or two the battery on my 7100g was down to 3/5's after about 24 hours. Battery-wise, this isn't any better that what I get on my Dell X51v after an equivelent about of wireless web surfing. Either my battery has that not-so-fresh feeling any more or the 7100g's backlight gives it a major beating. A similar browsing session with the 7780, even with the backlight on, never took the battery down that far.

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Customizeable, space, memory etc.-The 7100s blow the 7730 out the water here too. I am STILL waiting (although I was told it won't happen) for an OS upgrade for my 7730. Praying T-Mo releases a 4.1 OS upgrade for the 7100s soon. There are none for my 7730. I recently found out that the 77xx series is being phased out because of the lack of memory and upgrades.
Yeah, the 7780 always worked just fine when left alone but install any app of a decent size and the thing would choke. Especially when it was holding two months or so of my email and over 600 contact items. Anyway, all of the 16MB devices are EOL'd I think. OS 4.1 won't fit in anything with less than 32MB.
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I had a 7100G for about 3 months last year, and now have a 7130e.

7130e running on EVDO much faster than 7100G.
Both screens are washed out in daylight.
7130e audio better than 7100G which sounds tinny.
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I have the 7130 (verizon) but I've never used the 7100.
but I can tell you about the screen in sunlight.
I too can't read the screen (when in the sun)
Where as I still have an old 7510 (nxtl) which I can easily read the screen (in sunlight).
If you need to use your bb outside then you might want to steer clear of the new style screens until rim comes to their senses.
I had this same problem when I used pocket pc, then when I got the bb (7510) I realized that having a plain readable screen is better then having some fancy beautiful "eye candy" screen that you can only use in artificial light (indoors or night).
If you work inside the it doesn't matter, actually you should then get either the 7130 or 8700 because the screens really are clearer (when inside).
On my 7510 I had to tweak the font size to make it readable.
I actually use the 7510 when I'm in sunlight but use the 7130 when not in sunlight, this is crazy and rim needs to offer a 870x or 713x that still has the old back light screen.
I know what you mean about the reflective screen on the 7510. The 7100g is currently replacing a 7780 that has the same screen. While the color fidelity is no where near that of the 7100's, the thing is a joy to use in bright indoor or outdoor conditions. With the backlight on its adequate in dim light.
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I had a 7100G for about 3 months last year, and now have a 7130e.

7130e running on EVDO much faster than 7100G.
Both screens are washed out in daylight.
7130e audio better than 7100G which sounds tinny.
Thanks. How washed out is the 7130's screen compared to the 7100 in full sun? Is it dim but still readable or is it only readable if you shade it like the 7100 is?
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As the 7130g is not available yet, no one on this forum can really compare it to the 7100g. However, speculating the comparison, it will feature an Intel-based processor, like the 8700 model. This means its going to be MUCH faster than its 7100g predecessor. The screen will be similar to that of the 8700 and 7105 handhelds - it is visible in direct sunlight, although you do have to squint slightly (but no more funky hand blocking and up-close viewing methods). Since it will operate on the EDGE network where available (should be most places that GPRS/data is enabled), it will be about 3x faster than its predecessor (real-world results are 3x-5x faster - roughly 120-150kbps).

Hope that helps. If you are simply going to choose between the 7100g and the 7130c, when its available, then I'd wait on the 7130c. The 7100g will likely be EOL before the end of the year. Again, a lot of your questions can't be answered simply because no one knows yet. I've speculated that the audio quality will be better on the 7130g simply because they changed around the housing for the microphone, which is what the issue was with the 7100g.
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Sorry for the bolded caps, but it appears that EVERYONE is posting information about a device the user is not asking about - we really should learn how to read on here. The original post was referring to the EDGE-capable 7130g (branded 7130c for Cingular) that is NOT available yet. This was not in reference to the EVDO-capable 7130e.
Sorry for the confusion, but my question was posted to get information comparing the 7100's to the 7130e. I was just lazy and forgot to type the "e" on the end. So, yes this question is in reference to the 7130e and the questions that I originally asked would have little to do with whatever network the device was designed to run on. As it seems to be RIM's practice to have the much of the hardware closely matched between the different variants of the 7100, I figured that it was probably safe to assume that in many respects the 7130c will be very similar to the 7130e in the areas I was interested in.

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As the 7130g is not available yet, no one on this forum can really compare it to the 7100g. However, speculating the comparison, it will feature an Intel-based processor, like the 8700 model. This means its going to be MUCH faster than its 7100g predecessor. The screen will be similar to that of the 8700 and 7105 handhelds - it is visible in direct sunlight, although you do have to squint slightly (but no more funky hand blocking and up-close viewing methods). Since it will operate on the EDGE network where available (should be most places that GPRS/data is enabled), it will be about 3x faster than its predecessor (real-world results are 3x-5x faster - roughly 120-150kbps).
Are you sure it's safe to assume that the upcoming 7130's will be much faster than the 7100's in CPU power? It seems odd that they would since from what I've seen of the benchmarks that have already been posted for the 7130e it doesn't seem to be that much faster and well under what the 8700 comes in at. Assuming they base the next 7130's off the 7130e platform, which seems to be RIM's style from what I've seen so far, it seems unlikely that they will benchmark as fast as the 8700.

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Hope that helps. If you are simply going to choose between the 7100g and the 7130c, when its available, then I'd wait on the 7130c. The 7100g will likely be EOL before the end of the year. Again, a lot of your questions can't be answered simply because no one knows yet. I've speculated that the audio quality will be better on the 7130g simply because they changed around the housing for the microphone, which is what the issue was with the 7100g.
Actaully, the audio quality issue I'm concerned with is the speaker and not the mic. Compared to the humble Motorola V180 cell phone I was using the 7100g's speaker sounds like a tin can. My question was whether users of the 7130e had found the speaker to sound better or not.

I hope that clears things up.
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Sorry for the confusion, but my question was posted to get information comparing the 7100's to the 7130e. I was just lazy and forgot to type the "e" on the end. So, yes this question is in reference to the 7130e and the questions that I originally asked would have little to do with whatever network the device was designed to run on. As it seems to be RIM's practice to have the much of the hardware closely matched between the different variants of the 7100, I figured that it was probably safe to assume that in many respects the 7130c will be very similar to the 7130e in the areas I was interested in.
The network that the device runs on is fairly important, especially in terms of some of the questions you were asking. The CDMA/EVDO 7130e device is based on Qualcomm's chipset rather than Intel's mobile chipset - the differences WILL be noticed. In terms of the 7100g versus the 7130g, the differences will be immediately noticeable when comparing the Intel processor versus the dated RISC processor (for example, it took 5-10 minutes to reboot my 7100t, whereas it takes me 30-45 seconds to fully reboot my 8700g).

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Are you sure it's safe to assume that the upcoming 7130's will be much faster than the 7100's in CPU power? It seems odd that they would since from what I've seen of the benchmarks that have already been posted for the 7130e it doesn't seem to be that much faster and well under what the 8700 comes in at. Assuming they base the next 7130's off the 7130e platform, which seems to be RIM's style from what I've seen so far, it seems unlikely that they will benchmark as fast as the 8700.
Again, the 7130e and the 7130g are COMPLETELY different architectures, where the 7130g would smoke the 7130e in any benchmark aside from download speeds (EVDO is current 3-4x faster than EDGE). Compare the 8700 series benchmarks to the 7130e for a more accurate comparison between the two.

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Actaully, the audio quality issue I'm concerned with is the speaker and not the mic. Compared to the humble Motorola V180 cell phone I was using the 7100g's speaker sounds like a tin can. My question was whether users of the 7130e had found the speaker to sound better or not.
Not really sure about that. The only audio issues I ever heard of from anyone was the microphone, but I suppose the speaker could have had some distortion. The speaker on the 8700 is really clean, assuming the other person is not yelling or you aren't playing a really loud ringtone.
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Are you sure it's safe to assume that the upcoming 7130's will be much faster than the 7100's in CPU power? It seems odd that they would since from what I've seen of the benchmarks that have already been posted for the 7130e it doesn't seem to be that much faster and well under what the 8700 comes in at. Assuming they base the next 7130's off the 7130e platform, which seems to be RIM's style from what I've seen so far, it seems unlikely that they will benchmark as fast as the 8700.
Ummm...where do you get your assumption about them basing the 7130g on the 7130e?

Look at these points:
- Almost everything new that RIM puts out is for the GSM network first (i'm including the 957 in here, hence the 'almost')
- Every time something new comes out for the GSM network, it's either completely new (7100), based on the last new device (7290), or a combination of the two (8700).
- We know (based on the FCC pages) that the 7130g will be a GSM device.

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Ummm...where do you get your assumption about them basing the 7130g on the 7130e?

Look at these points:
- Almost everything new that RIM puts out is for the GSM network first (i'm including the 957 in here, hence the 'almost')
- Every time something new comes out for the GSM network, it's either completely new (7100), based on the last new device (7290), or a combination of the two (8700).
- We know (based on the FCC pages) that the 7130g will be a GSM device.

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You might have something there. I guess we'll see.
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