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Old 06-10-2006, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just wondering what would be the best OS overall. Consdering I was a former 8700c user a couple months ago, all I knew was BHARTI and it worked great. Main focus originally was to get the zen theme. I now own the 8700G and wondering if it's best to just leave use the T-Mobile OS. ( currently using the multilanguage latest one). Unlocked the zen theme and it works great. Kinda confused about some of the notifications/home screen folders. I notice the backlit doesn't activate or "light up" on any emails/text messages. It only lights up upon recieving a call. and what are these new separate email folders for? seems like a good idea but what's the point when you have 3 folders with one that carries both of them in there. confusing. Same for SMS & MMS folders..bleh. Anyhow back to the point. Just wondering if it's worth it to do another OS install besides the one I currently have...?

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OS will have no influence on most of your issues. Multiple email folders is T-Mobile's BIS 2.0. If you don't like it just hide the ones for the individual accounts. The 8700 doesn't light for incoming messages unless you run a utility like the one in PocketDay. Anyway unlocking Zen in T-Mobile's OS makes the most sense unless you want to run the Today themes which will require Telstra. Radio stacks should be best on your carrier's native OS.
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what's so special about the today themese? What are radio stacks? And How do yo hide these email folders? Possible for the SMS & MMS folder as well?
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Today themes discussed here. Search on the other topics like hiding icons. It's all on this forum.
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yeah just read up about it. Increased volume on zen is probably the best reason to stay. But also read about the ghost sms bug. hasn't really been fixed just yet. Today themes look cool but might be worth it to wait until its more mainstream and more bugs are straightened out. Zen appears to be rock solid for now. I'm in vegas right now....so I'll have to wait until I get home to do any kind of OS switching. I keep getting hit in the face with "sidekick 3" stuff......wonder how long I'll stick around....but with the idea of the 8700 coming to Sprint with the power of EVDO...that's just simply beautiful
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Im weighing in under the Bharti OS with the Zen theme of course =)

Just my 2 cents -

SideKick is a joke *shrug* unless of course your in High School and your idea of a date is PMing on MySpace =P

If BB isnt your deal theres alot of other great PDA's out there.

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UMTS > EVDO!!!!

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give me a break. You gotta come up with a better reply than sidekick bashing. I have used both devices. Sure the 8700 is more on the serious side. Looks better..is smaller. And YES the sidekick is on the trendy teeny bop side. But that doesn't make it any less of a device. Hit me with facts on what features you don't like. Have you owned own? Hell, I'll id admit it. I was anti -sidekick for a VERY long time. Hated seeing the 14 year olds with the same device as me. Or people that camp out on their sidekicks like its the end of the world. But after using it and getting used to it. I kinda found out why they did so. It is a device that is super fast. Maybe I have to get used to the 8700 a bit more to be as fast...or maybe I'll never be as fast due to my big hands and the 8700's super smashed together keyboard? Anyhow both devices rock in my opinion. I'm just trying to figure out what features I'll end up liking overall. What is gonna be the easiest? Which lack of features will annoy me the most. I don't run a business. Heck, I'm one of those actor/model professional guys. So staying organized is a must. ....anyhow keep em coming...somehow i think this response should be in the sidekick 3 vs 8700g thread thats recently updated.
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why? this is a bb forum.. we obviously like bb's better than sidekicks.
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Hit me with facts on what features you don't like.
1. "losing the 'G'"- my Sk2 would drop the GPRS connection constantly and go into that lovely dot dance. and for an entire week last march, everyone with a SK was without service because of a poorly managed backend server.

2. Complete lack of customization. Obviously since danger decided to make this a closed OS, it's completely lacking in terms of customization. No themes, wallpapers, 3rd party apps, and ringtones must be purchased.

3. Decent OS for stability, but doesn't touch the BB. A lot of the time the device would be sluggish or just not responsive at all. Let's face, it the SK2 is a 6mb device vs 64mb on most new BB's.

4. Battery life. When i had the 8700g i could go 2 1/2 days of normal usage before a recharge, the 7105t I had before that was the same. Try doing that with a SK, never happen.

Edit: to your original question, unless you just have a burning desire to run the latest software and have the newest themes (Today has officially replaced zen for me), probably just stick with your carrier's OS

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Wirelessly posted (Thumpers 8700c: BlackBerry8700/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Let's step back for a moment. Did you say the 8700 is coming to Sprint? Where did you hear that, and when is this going to occur - before my 2 year deal with Cing is done? I'd pay a term fee if I could go back to high voice quality and still keep my 8700...
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Been floating around in the rumour mill section of these forums. Verizon as well.

Now let's really step back. Since I'm convinced to hold onto my 8700G I want to make some changes. Since I know a couple folks who have successfully replaced zen with the "Today" theme. Why not have the ability to have both? Thus would mean that I would have to install Telestra OS to be able to do so right? No other OS allows the Today theme & Zen theme together besides this right? And considering I have an 8700G...I hope I'm not being foolish and loading something too early - meaning i should wait till more bugs are worked out (*sms hint hint with today) and just leave it stock.. And as for question 30...Pocket Day seems to be pretty popular..looks like it has some of the things that the Today themes have.

Now I have to figure out how to wipe my handheld completely clean to start fresh because stock or not I want to start fresh since I'm having trouble syncing some of my contacts.

Glad you guys gave some pretty good reasons about the sidekick vs the 8700G. Although I still believe that they are different beasts altogether. But that's another story.
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Edit: to your original question, unless you just have a burning desire to run the latest software and have the newest themes (Today has officially replaced zen for me), probably just stick with your carrier's OS
Dimension Today has replaced Zen for me too. Aside from seeing what messages have come in, I think that most wallpapers (like you download from this forum) actually look better on the Today screen because it doesn't have a left-side bias. Let me give an example. The blue jay is centred on the today screen; it has to be pushed to the left to look good in Zen.
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I run Zen but i dont adjust my wallpapers to the left margin. That looks silly to me =P I keep my wallpaper centered and if the icons cover up a little of the pic so be it. For some reason i can stand to not have the pic be centered hehehe *boggle*
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Aesthetics are in the eyes of the beholder, of course. Ive just found a whole bunch of wallpapers look better to me with the new Today theme.
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well i'm just wondering are the issues of the Telstra OS still out there? Battery drainage etc. Consdering that I'd be able to use both themes on that single OS gives me more incentive to want to use it...in case there's one theme I favor over the other..I still have a choice without having to keep installing new OS'. Anyone know how to completely wipe my device and start over from scratch. I mean straight from the beginning. Using a T-Mobile 8700G
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Anyone know how to completely wipe my device and start over from scratch. I mean straight from the beginning. Using a T-Mobile 8700G
Check this thread here. The most important thing is to download the current T-Mobile OS. Searching will provide more resources.
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Thanks. I spend about 2 hours reading some old threads and such. Installed the Telstra OS ..played with Dimension-TODAY and then Zen..didn't like them so wiped them with BHARTI/T-MO..so I guess Zen is the official theme that is here to stay for me. At the moment just trying to figure out my sync issues..wondering if it's because somehow the BB is forcing a contact limit through Microsoft Outlook?..or if I need to use a more current Outlook: ie: outlook Express..blablabla

Thank you so much for all your detailed help so far. Glad I'm keeping the blackberry. (for now..can't help that i'm a phone geek)
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I know (from the "inside") that at least some of the operators really do a lot of testing for 'their' version of the OS. Not only apps, but the 'radio stack' - the code that makes the BB correctly communicate using the correct protocols to the cell towers. Different operators use different vendor's equipment in the towers, with different software builds in that equipment.

If the radio stack is less than optimised it may affect the operator's cell network in undesirable ways that have no impact on the user - but also perhaps in ways that do impact the user (call quality, dropped call rates, wasted bandwidth [data transmission retrys] etc., etc).

Of course when you are roaming both the operator and user have to live with the miss-match. And of course there *may* be no undesirable side effects anyway. The operator is most concerned with the vast majority of their 'own' devices on their network - these must not affect the network or the users in bad ways. They (all the OS versions with all the operators) *should* all work anyway - that's why there's a GSM standard, after all. But there are always some differences in the way an operator configures their network...

So perhaps you can see why you should stick to your operator's own release of the firmware, which *should* be the best experience for the the user on that network. Some people (their choice) decide that to get an extra feature (maybe just an extra theme) they will 'risk' an OS not supported by their operator. If an operator has not made, say, a theme available it may be because they were charged by RIM for it and didn't want to pay, or maybe they just consider it too buggy for their users. We all know no software (including themes) is perfect, so it's a call the operator makes for its users (if they think all their users will just complain about problems). You will see comments here when people mix OSs/features and operators, like:

- No problems at all
- Shorter battery life (think what may be causing this - maybe the BB has to continuosly retransmit because of comms errors)
- Random resets (BB crashes, and re-boots?)
- Some features don't seem to work properly
- etc

You may be lucky, or you may not. Just make sure you'd feel comfortable doing a downgrade back to your operator's OS before you start! At the end of the day, with a later OS, you will just be experiencing what the operator is asked to release by RIM as an upgrade. Sometimes they do it, sometimes they say 'too buggy', sometimes they say 'not worth it'...

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I agree with everything wibbly said. Only one add-on note: Zen is not released on any carrier's OS but you can now unlock it for any carrier's release of OS .284 by simply editing the blackberry.alx file.
Now as regards Telstra and radio stacks: can one not copy the radio stack file from one's own carrier's OS release to the Telstra loader program? Do we know what file that is?
EDIT: Further to a previous post I found from jibi, "the radio code is ...the .bin or .sfi files found in the /GPRS, /CDMA, etc. folders".

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For me it's one that is stable (using Telstra) on my unit, and one that gives me the functionality that I need. That varies by person.
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