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Old 06-25-2006, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have an 8707 (Voda) - I am using it on T-Mobile. All is working great w.r.t BES. Can't browse at all. Any thoughts, what should I look for?

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I have an 8707 (Voda) - I am using it on T-Mobile. All is working great w.r.t BES. Can't browse at all. Any thoughts, what should I look for?

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hey pete , not sure if i'll be any help but let me give u an idea as to what it might be and point you in the right direction . i'm assuming that your 8707 was unlocked for use with T-mobile ... well a good friend of mine is a rep at T-mobile and he tells me that usually when u unlock a BB or cell phone for that matter it still regains all the settings for browsing and such from the old company making t-mobile browsing unusable . first u should try contacting t-mobile and having someone there go through the steps of manually changing all the settings from Voda to T-mobile . however i sometimes they can't get the browsing to work at all . i hope thats not the case with you BB as it is one of the phones strong points . sorry i wasn't too much help but basically you have to start from scratch and input all the net settings for t-mobile web access and go from there .
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I would like a definitive answer, as I have heard both. Does the 8707v support EDGE, or not? Would be amazingly great if it did. If not, then I would need to use 2 phones, depending where I am.
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http://www.blackberry.net/uk/product...rry8707v.shtml

According to the BlackBerry.net web page, the 8707v "Operates on the latest high-speed wireless networks. Quad-Band support on 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM TM/GPRS and UMTS 2100 MHz networks. Allows for international roaming between North America, Europe and Asia Pacific."

EDGE is not mentioned.
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Pete - are you in the UK?

T-Mobile UK may have UMTS 2100 (they certainly don't have EDGE) and T-Mobile US will most assuredly not have UMTS 2100.
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Pete - are you in the UK?

T-Mobile UK may have UMTS 2100 (they certainly don't have EDGE) and T-Mobile US will most assuredly not have UMTS 2100.
Yes. UK. I have the CDMA Chipset from QUALCOMM - V similar to the Sony-Ericsson V800 implementation. I think I am right in saying that UMTS is a spectrum spreading technique based upon WCDMA standards. So to confirm UMTS - Yes.

No sign of EDGE on this item.

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Old 06-25-2006, 05:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks joaquin654,

I suspected that I'd be in that position - I would have thought that a simple submission of a service book would be enough, but alas no.

Given that T-Mobile only support 8700G etc. There is no chance of getting a T-Mobile style OS. Nor can T-Mobile staff get their heads around a BB running 3G.

What I cannot figure is why I cannot create a new HRT with T-Mobiles voicestream APN?? Seems to be no facility to do this.

Thoughts?

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Yes. UK. I have the CDMA Chipset from QUALCOMM - V similar to the Sony-Ericsson V800 implementation. I think I am right in saying that UMTS is a spectrum spreading technique based upon WCDMA standards. So to confirm UMTS - Yes.

No sign of EDGE on this item.
I'm suspecting that's the case. And I know there is no mention of EDGE That sucks. Always something I guess the first person with an 8707 on T-Mo USA will see if EDGE comes up on a display or not. Might be me -- would like to try to get one when I am in Munich next week. I think they're out there.
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Better 8700 bacause 8707v have't browser working........
The removal of the TCP functions in the BlackBerry are actually for technical reasons. The 3G networks of most carriers does not support multiple PDP contexts, so applications using direct TCP could end up fighting with the OS over bandwidth. The earlier versions of the firmware for 8707 did have the TCP function, but they removed it in the final releases.

They have said that it might be returned later, but no timeframe as to when.
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I have the 8707v using Cingular. No EDGE. but browser works for me.
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Hi Pete,

I'm very curious to know how you got on with your 8707v on T Mobile.
  • Have you been able to get the browsing working?
  • Is the 8707v getting a 3G/UMTS connection on T Mobile, or are you stuck with GRPS?

My understanding from our UK T Mobile rep that the 8700 which they sell supports EDGE but not UMTS.

Voda UK supply the 8707v which supports UMTS but not EDGE.

Now I'm keen to purchase the 8707v, but want to know that I will get a UMTS connection, otherwise I will be better off with the 8700g.

Thoughts?
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I'm not sure the 3G/UTMS implementation in the 8707 works well on the T-Mobile UK network. Worth seeing what throughput you actulally get at the end of the day. And of course running UTMS is I think more power hungry than GPRS.
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Hi Pete,

I'm very curious to know how you got on with your 8707v on T Mobile.
  • Have you been able to get the browsing working?
  • Is the 8707v getting a 3G/UMTS connection on T Mobile, or are you stuck with GRPS?

My understanding from our UK T Mobile rep that the 8700 which they sell supports EDGE but not UMTS.

Voda UK supply the 8707v which supports UMTS but not EDGE.

Now I'm keen to purchase the 8707v, but want to know that I will get a UMTS connection, otherwise I will be better off with the 8700g.

Thoughts?
I managed to use the Web n' walk service that UK T-Mo provide to other customers using 3G devices - I now have a service book called 'Blackberry Internet browsing service' (BIS).

It took me a dozen phone calls to get that set up.

I tried a mobile speed test to check the download speed. I can confirm that I am getting 3G (UMTS) on my BB.

One minor drawback is the latency. It's pretty high. I suspect that this is due to many moving parts in the blackberry network architecture. You'll get that if you're using BIS/BES irrespective of provider or whether you're using EDGE,UMTS or GPRS.

Your sales rep is right. Re 8700 EDGE.

One other point worth considering is the UMTS drain on the battery. You'll be able to find info on that in other posts in this forum.

Cheers,

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Update: Getting 910-965Kbit per second via BBR mobile speed test (can be found via "Mobile Speed test" on Google) Does that seem a tad high?

What do others get on the 8707?

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