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pgrokkos 07-17-2006 09:43 PM

Dumping my Q for a 7130 - C or E?
 
Longtime Blackberry user who was seduced by the appeal of a windows mobile phone. After about a year with a Samsung i730 and the Motorola Q, I have given up. Had to use Goodlink for both which may have been partially responsible for battery life being horrible. With the Q, its actually so bad that you can't get through the day with moderate usage. Can you believe they made a phone that can't even make it though a day on a full night's charge?

Anyway, I've decided battery life and phone quality are key for me. In addition, I need good internet access. I can live with the non-full keyboard that the 7100 series entails I believe (at least I hope). I've got it down to the C with Cingular or the E on Verizon. I live in central Jersery and work in the NYC area.

It seems that the tradeoffs are:

-Cingular will give me better battery life
-Verizon will give me faster internet and email access when on EVDO vs. Edge
-Phone quality should be good on both although some say Verizon's network is better


Are those accurate? Put aside cost for the moment, any big ticket items I'm missing?

Some questions:

Exactly how much better is the battery life?

How bad is internet access with Cingular? For example, can you go to mobile ESPN? Would you even consider going to a regular web site like yahoo? Is internet browsing on the Verizon better? Is internet browsing on the Blackberry even comparable to doing it on a windows mobile device on EVDO?

Thanks for any help.

BioHazardx 07-17-2006 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgrokkos
Longtime Blackberry user who was seduced by the appeal of a windows mobile phone. After about a year with a Samsung i730 and the Motorola Q, I have given up. Had to use Goodlink for both which may have been partially responsible for battery life being horrible. With the Q, its actually so bad that you can't get through the day with moderate usage. Can you believe they made a phone that can't even make it though a day on a full night's charge?

Anyway, I've decided battery life and phone quality are key for me. In addition, I need good internet access. I can live with the non-full keyboard that the 7100 series entails I believe (at least I hope). I've got it down to the C with Cingular or the E on Verizon. I live in central Jersery and work in the NYC area.

It seems that the tradeoffs are:

-Cingular will give me better battery life
-Verizon will give me faster internet and email access when on EVDO vs. Edge
-Phone quality should be good on both although some say Verizon's network is better


Are those accurate? Put aside cost for the moment, any big ticket items I'm missing?

Some questions:

Exactly how much better is the battery life?

How bad is internet access with Cingular? For example, can you go to mobile ESPN? Would you even consider going to a regular web site like yahoo? Is internet browsing on the Verizon better? Is internet browsing on the Blackberry even comparable to doing it on a windows mobile device on EVDO?

Thanks for any help.

I can give you my 2 cents worth.

I'm not sure that either BB has a browser that is the best for browsing streaming video. I have never tried it so I'll leave others to comment on that aspect - but some of the feedback I've read suggests that this is not a strong point for the BB. In confirmation - both Cingular and Verizon offer video streaming "channels" to phones and have pretty much limited it to phones specifically designed for that purpose.

In terms of difference between EDGE and EVDO - I have a Cingular unit and have seen EVDO - EVDO is much faster - Verizon will try to convince you that it is almost broadband fast. Not sure that is accurate but it is noticably faster. That said - EDGE is really pretty darn fast and for viewing web pages, its very acceptable. Ultimately, the question boils down to what sites you visit regularly. Both Verizon and Cingular should have "live" units to test - go to each store and browse with them - that will be your best answer.

Battery life on both units are very good - and I find that since the connection is mini-usb - its very easy to recharge or even "top-off" my BB during the day - from my computer. Unless you are completely away from an outlet all day - and a very heavy user - battery life should be acceptable with either. Certainly from what I've read, either will blow away the Q. Slim is nice but it doesn't allow for much of an all day battery.

If you truly have the choice between the 2 carriers - I would focus more on calling plans, features and coverage. Since both phones are BB - with similar release dates - the features are very similar. Not like you are comparing a 7290 on one carrier w/ the 8700 on another. These are same generation handhelds - it's a wash.

Coverage, costs and features will get you in the long run. Cingular recently introduced an unlimited Personal BB plan for $29.95 - which I think is the cheapest plan out there. Rollover minutes are a joke. In my situation, where I have nearly 5000 rollover minutes - I'll never use them on my current plan since I am buying too many minutes now - but to change to a different, lower minute plan and you lose the rollover min. So it's a non-feature. I'm sure Verizon has their share of the same thing.

Verizon is talking about pro-rating the Early Term fee - a nice feature for us gadgetheads who might want to jump to then next new killer phone - but thats kind of a one time benefit....

Hope this helps - Ultimately, my advice - the phones are very similar - and you would be better off picking the best carrier, lowest cost plan, best features that fit your needs than trying to choose between two twin phones that really have subtle differences.

CMiddleton 07-18-2006 12:54 AM

experience with q and bb
 
I have a 7130e on Verizon and my wife uses the Q. I tried to swing her into a BB, but she wanted the newest, latest and greatest and dare I say BB Killer?

After being exposed to her phone for 5 weeks now, I can assure you that in the current form, it is certainly not a BB killer. Not only does her battery last a whopping 3-4 hours on a full charge (5 weeks out of the box) but after it pulls email off of the gmail server, the sync wont terminate and chews the battery down mercilessly! It has to be turned on flight mode, and then toggled back to kill the syncing. And after all that, if you wanna check email again....thats right, it is take out the battery and reboot time. Absolute piece of crap that Q is and verizon is clueless in terms of support.

Now to the original question: I agree with the last poster that the 7100e vs. 7100c are subtle and you should pick based on needs and carrier, but I want to throw this out there too.

According to Mark R. (on this site who is a hearing impaired user like myself), the cingular gsm technology allows for im programs and web browsing for close to 7 days on a single charge. Since you are a hearing person that may not be an issue, but man...7 days is a long time and if you are only a light user (judging by all those rollover min, you are) You could see great battery life.

Also the other cingular advantage is your gsm phone will be more likely to work if you travel outside USA, due to GSM being the dominant overseas technology.

The last cingular advantage is the cost, 29.95 is cheaper that verizon, but does that allow tethering? I dont know, because I am with verizon, but is food for thought.

Verizon advantages: Faster "broadband" EVDO technology (except in Podunk ohio where I live on the outskirts of Toledo)

Bigger area of coverage, especially if you stray off the beaten path.

Depending on where you work, verizon has a generous employee discount program, we save 15% each month due to my wife's employer (FEMA).

Good luck and keep us posted!

pgrokkos 07-18-2006 10:33 AM

Thanks for the quick replies and comments. Really appreciate your help. My Q experience has left me so fragile that I'm obsessing over making the right choice here. Will check out both today at the stores and pull the trigger.

Thanks again.

dbregman 07-18-2006 05:08 PM

One big advantage that Verizon has (the fact that swayed me) is the high speed teathering. I can connect my laptop at 600-700K almost anywhere. The cost is only an additional 15/mo. On the other hand, I miss the GSM compatabilty outside the US.

randberger 07-19-2006 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMiddleton
...after it pulls email off of the gmail server, the sync wont terminate and chews the battery down mercilessly! It has to be turned on flight mode, and then toggled back to kill the syncing. And after all that, if you wanna check email again....thats right, it is take out the battery and reboot time.

That's not right -- call Motorola or visit the support forum. (I'm a new poster here so they won't let me give you the URL, but if you google "motorola q user support" you will find it.) You should not have to jump through these hoops to get the synch to stop. If you call the MOTO call center you may not always get the answer you want but if you keep at it they will escalate you to a tech group that knows its stuff.

bofa_it 07-19-2006 03:19 PM

i've got a 7130e sprintpcs & have heard the tethering for laptop(haven't used it yet) is free w/ the unlimited data plan ($39.99). I've had 957 & a 8700c & would agree that BB's are BB's. So you should make your decision based on the service provider, if they are basically the same, then i would go w/ which device you like the best.

AnthroMatt 07-19-2006 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bofa_it
i've got a 7130e sprintpcs & have heard the tethering for laptop(haven't used it yet) is free w/ the unlimited data plan ($39.99). I've had 957 & a 8700c & would agree that BB's are BB's. So you should make your decision based on the service provider, if they are basically the same, then i would go w/ which device you like the best.

Yes, unlimited tethering is included on the Sprint $39.99 BB plan. I have used it with great success while away from home.


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