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Old 11-06-2006, 01:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I myself went back from an 8700g to a 7290 over the weekend. I like the look of the 8700g but the keypad was just a little too cramped for typing, the 7290 keypad is awesomne and the keys feel like butter when you press them. I agree that I miss that EDGE, the nice 320x240 bright screen, and the speakerphone...but the keypad and ergonamic shape of the 7290 was better for me in the longrun. T-MO has a hideous powder blue 7290 so I purchased an unlocked 7290 from a guy who had AT&T and love the black look and the different feel of the plastic used. If they could make a special edition model 7290 with the 8700 guts...i would be in heaven.
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I have the powder blue 7290 and I like it. But I just prchased a cingular housing!! i like the look too
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Didn't mean to knock the color :/ There's just something about the way it looks in black...nice!!!!!!
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archer sorry for the late reply, the screen on the 7290 is not that brigh and the quality of pictures on the screen is nothing compared to the pictures ive seen on my friends 8700, however like you said the functionality of the keyboard is the most important thing to me who replies to a lot of emails on a daily basis...

gprs is slow but ive learned to tolerate it.
Thank you very much for responding, and hey we're all busy so I can identify with delays. I simply appreciate the fact that you got back to me with answers to my questions which help me sort through the challenge at hand.

I work diligently to be very open minded and accepting of change. Every person that had posted on this thread has provided some very good thoughts and feedback. I love this forum as I'm learning so much as new user and tech guy that is well versed on the computer side and only recently had the need for a device like the BB. In an effort to learn as much as possible in a short period of time this forum has been very valuable to me.

That said, here is my challenge. I have purchased these two new 7130c and 8700c to see which will fill my needs the best. As I would like to get the learning curve and model selection behind me. Then I'm up and running and can discard any further debating about this and that. What I have learned is I will always have two BlackBerry's. The 7130c is a definite keeper for it's form factor, ease of use for evenings and weekends when I desire a smaller device and yet still have BB capability if I need it.

So now I'm down to finding a "full size" BlackBerry to fill my weekday work needs. Since the 8700 is well regarded here and the newer of the full size models I bought one. Herein, lies my challenge. I have tried to convince myself that if I'm just a little more patient for a little while longer, I will become adusted to the 8700 keyboard. And while I have large hands they are not "that" large. Perhaps just a little above avg, whatever that means. I continue to try and ignore the difficulty I'm having adapting to this keyboard and just continue using it and the adjustment will come.... Well it is not.

I went to the Cingular store where the have one very "Used Display Model" and if I've learned something it's that BlackBerry 7290's can really take abuse when on display where they are treated like trash. I found the keyboard on that model to be perfect for me. The hesitation is it's a generation or so old and does not have edge and some of the other very nice improvements of the 8700. But I cannot live with the 8700 and due to work demands I need a full size BlackBerry asap.

The reason I asked and am grateful for your response about the screen and any other comment you have about the 7290 as I'm hesitant to invest in a 3rd BlackBerry without getting as much feedback as possible. Also it seems that we are on the cusp of the release of the 8800 which could possibly solve my problem. I know based on my positive attitude and acceptance that I can live with the upcoming trackball, and everything else, with again the only exception being the keyboard. 8800 keyboard: My concerns here are no longer keyshape which for me has been one of two major issues with the 8700 keyboard. My concern with the 8800 keboard is the overall size reduction of the width of the entire unit. Most of the reports I have read, report the 8800 as 66mm overall width.

If I'm finding the keyboad & keyas on my 8700 too narrow and the device width is 70mm, then at the reported 66mm (8800 width) we are losing 4mm of overall width which is bound to impact keyboard size. However keyshape appears to be returned to normal that of normal keys. As opposed to the slender vertically oriented 8700 keys. That could make quite a difference. Then of course then there will the other useful advancements incorporated into the 8800, one of which is a really big advantage for me and that's WiFi. I use it on the road, at home and in the office.

I am not completely opposed to going to a 7290, and if I had more lattitude in terms of waiting until I can actually see and try and 8800 this would be the obvious thing to do. I'm just not sure how much longer I can "limp along" with this 8700 keyboard and the typos & resultant delays, that I experience.

Anyone that has thoughts, comments or feedback I would truly enjoy hearing from you. Thank you one and all, and sorry for the lengthy post. Cheers...
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archer i can tell you this ive had the 7290 for 3 years and i can type as fast as anyone on their bb and probably faster, over the weekend i got my first hands one experience with a 8700c and it felt horrible to me, i also have bigger then avg fingers if you will and just from the first glance i knew it would be a problem... i put the 8700c in my hand and practiced a few sentenced i would normally type on the 7290 which i had side by side and i noticed i caught myself pushing keys in the 8700 keypad i didnt intend to typing so fast...

one of the big reasons im looking forward to the 8700 is the edge and edge only since i dont see the point in trying to watch videos on such a small screen... i like the speakerphone feature of the 8700 as well but if i can not get used to the 8700 keyboard im going back to the 8700 till something better comes out...

and based on the pics i saw of the 8800 it seems like i would have the same problems with the keys being so close to each other despite the orientation...
if your thinking of getting a 72xx series ebay is not a bad place to buy a cheap used one and if its something you like you can always purchase a new 72xx and sell the cheap used one ...

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archer i can tell you this ive had the 7290 for 3 years and i can type as fast as anyone on their bb and probably faster, over the weekend i got my first hands one experience with a 8700c and it felt horrible to me, i also have bigger then avg fingers if you will and just from the first glance i knew it would be a problem... i put the 8700c in my hand and practiced a few sentenced i would normally type on the 7290 which i had side by side and i noticed i caught myself pushing keys in the 8700 keypad i didnt intend to typing so fast...
Our experiences sound exactly alike. I find my self pushing keys that I didn't inted to push, even when I'm purposely going slow to reduce the mistakes I make.

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and based on the pics i saw of the 8800 it seems like i would have the same problems with the keys being so close to each other despite the orientation...
if your thinking of getting a 72xx series ebay is not a bad place to buy a cheap used one and if its something you like you can always purchase a new 72xx and sell the cheap used one
This is exactly the advice that I needed as frankly I did'nt even think of the ebay option.

How long do you expect the 7290 to remain in the BB lineup and supported by them? I know this will be just a guess, but based on your experience your opinion is appreciated. I do understand that It could be eliminated at any moment like anything else in the tech world. Just wondering what your thoughts are. If I could get 12 to 18 months out of one I would be very happy.

More and more it's looking like the 7290 is just what I need.

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What model BB are you using?
The 8700g!
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Old 11-06-2006, 07:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I think the 7290 is ugly next to an 8700. I also like he keyboard on the 8700 better.
I certainly agree with you as far as looks are concerned, however I bought mine for functionality first and looks second.

It's kind of like a Ferrari, great looking but impractical as hell.

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Old 11-06-2006, 07:40 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Had an 850 & 950. Very easy to type. The best keyboards of the RIM devices, I believe.

Had a 7230 and 7250. Almost as easy as the 850/950 series. Certainly no complaints. Rarely a mistake while typing. Had it down pretty good.

Now I have an 8703E. Love it to death except for one very important thing.
I make more damned typing mistakes than I care to admit! The ergonomic wizards at RIM had to tweak the keypad just enough to make typing a real effort (as opposed to effortless, as it oughta be)! What gives?

Was there something inherently wrong with the past models that provoked the changes with the 8700 series? Or am I missing the big picture or something.

One of the earlier posters lamented that they wished RIM would stuff an 8700 device into a 7200 casing and keyboard. I can't say I disagree. Not a bad idea. Why change things when you've got something good going? Improve what needs improving, and LEAVE THE REST THE HELL ALONE!

Sigh... Vent... Ahhhh.... (I feel better now...)
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One issue I have is the 7290 slides out of the holder very easy. 8700 is not as easy to remove. The 7290 seem designed to slide better
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archer i dont see the 7200 series going out of style anytime soon with so many corporations and govt entities still using it being one of the most stable and affordable bb's on the market today... and lots of companies dont even offer the 8700 and wont ever offer the newer models with cameras b/c of security reasons and i for one work at a defense company that wont allow such devices...

if i were you i would get a used 72xx series and try it out, im sure you like myself and many others who find the 87xx so hard to type on will appreciate the 72xx despite the lack of Edge and other features...

Im basically in the same boat as you but im waiting for my 8700 and i only played with the 8700 for a few mins before i was convinced it was not for me... unfortunately i have one on the way and may keep my 72xx anyway...

also im used to the trackwheel and cant see myself going to the mouse type ball navigation on the newer 8800 or 8100's
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I perosnally prefer the 8700c and can type on it as fast as I could every type on the 7290. The diffference in keyboards, however, is definitely a matter of personal preference and partially affected by dexterity and the size of one's hands. I can't see going back to the 7290 at all, even though it does have a nicer keyboard. The style, smaller size, better screen, speakerphone, EDGE, and other features are too much to abandon, IMO. If you're primarily an email user, going back to the 7290 won't be as much of a big deal. I don't see the 72xx and older style cases returning, considering how our society seems to be fixated on the thinness of mobile devices.

archer6 -- I can't see any point in waiting for the 8800 if you feel you're "limping along" with the 8700's keyboard. The 8800 won't be any better. I'd say go ahead with the 7290. You might want to try adjusting your typing style a bit on the 8700. Try typing more with thetips of your fingers than your pads. I personally didn't have to adjust much so I'm not sure if I can be of any help in this area.

As for the 7290's screen, it's not as nice or as bright as the 8700's but it's still very good. If the second brightness setting isn't enough to blind you then you've got some serious eye problems, I think...

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I certainly agree with you as far as looks are concerned, however I bought mine for functionality first and looks second.

It's kind of like a Ferrari, great looking but impractical as hell.

Cheers...
With its EDGE speeds I think the 8700 is more functional. I do use the browser a lot though. If you're satisfied with GPRS, then just get a 7290. It's still a good device.

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First of all I would like to say _Thanks!_ to:
jetspeedz & takeshi for taking the time to be so helpful.

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if I were you I would get a used 72xx series and try it out, im sure you like myself and many others who find the 87xx so hard to type on will appreciate the 72xx despite the lack of Edge and other features...
also im used to the trackwheel and cant see myself going to the mouse type ball navigation on the newer 8800 or 8100's
We are exactly on the same page here. My central challenge is to find a keyboard that works for me, as the styling of the case is secondary. Then it's important for me to explain that I'm not compelled to have "all the lastest" such as EDGE etc. I'm simply learning here and trying to find the device that best meets my needs without making another mistake in my choice. It's great to hear from you guys as you are the voice of experience that I'm lacking presently. For me the most important tasks are
1) decent telepone
2) good useable keyboard
3) Outlook 2003 sync capabilities.
I'm not looking to go web surfing at the fasted posible speed as I do very little of that on a BB anyway. That's why I always carry a laptop with WiFi. What it boils down to is, I want to be able to keep my Outlook Contacts, Calendar and Tasks in my BB, then be able to manage my email and I'm all set. Outlook is particularly important as my schedule is very dynamic and changes frequently throughout the week.

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The difference in keyboards, however, is definitely a matter of personal preference and partially affected by dexterity and the size of one's hands. I can't see going back to the 7290 at all, even though it does have a nicer keyboard. The style, smaller size, better screen, speakerphone, EDGE, and other features are too much to abandon, IMO. If you're primarily an email user, going back to the 7290 won't be as much of a big deal. I don't see the 72xx and older style cases returning, considering how our society seems to be fixated on the thinness of mobile devices.
Again it's so helpful for me to receive your candid, thoughtfull feedback and opinion. The incredibly frustating part of my experience with the 8700c which I have had for 3 weeks now, is that I'm not being judgemental, I'm not being closed minded, I not cursing the device. To the contrary I'm taking resonsibility and trying to acclimate myself to the 8700 keyboard. It's obvious to me that many people and rightfully so, love their 8700. I would like to be in that group, I have spent countless hours focusing on my technique and approach to using the keyboard, while setting aside any expectations of speed at this point. I do not know what more I can do to accept and master this keyboard. My approach has been analytical, patient, and methodical in an attempt to use and enjoy this device.

This is why I simply did not just return it on day 5 and get an 7290, as I really wanted this to work for me.

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archer6 -- I can't see any point in waiting for the 8800 if you feel you're "limping along" with the 8700's keyboard. The 8800 won't be any better. I'd say go ahead with the 7290. You might want to try adjusting your typing style a bit on the 8700. Try typing more with the tips of your fingers than your pads. I personally didn't have to adjust much so I'm not sure if I can be of any help in this area.
Now here is a very good suggestion, as I believe that I've tried everything except this concept of using the tips of my fingers, which I begin doing immediatly. I would be so terrific if I could get over this challenge and be able to keep, use and enjoy the 8700c.

So, at this point, I have shared my needs with you and you have given me some valuable items to consider.

If you should think of anything else, Please advise. I'm going to try the typing by finger tips for a few days and then I must make a decision and get this behind me, as it's impacting my work.

Thank you gentlemen!

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archer6 -- You might want to try adjusting your typing style a bit on the 8700. Try typing more with thetips of your fingers than your pads. I personally didn't have to adjust much so I'm not sure if I can be of any help in this area.
takeshi -- Thanks for the suggestion of typing with the tips of my fingers.

While I "thought I tried everything", your suggestion gave me a renewed motivation to conquer this problem. Now, I've reframed how I view the "challenge" and being very deliberate with this technique.

The good news is while I still have a long way to go, the mistakes and level of frustration is greatly reduced. I see this as an opportunity to pratice patience.....

Thanks again for your input and helpfulness !
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I know it would be nice the 7290 form factor is more functional to me. Keypad anyway

I sooooo agree ! i have had an 8700c since it came out and i have since bought 2 7290 from cingular and unlocked versions just to use that spacious keyboard and form factor of the beloved 7290 . but after a while i notice i need that EDGE and faster reaction of the 8700c so i switch out my SIM and continue with my day .... how i have wished someone would do this very same thing and put the 8700c insides into my 7290 .... i would just love it . honestly if someone did it i would be willing to pay big bucks for ...
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I love the 8700, but I dearly miss the keyboard of the 72xx series!!! so I am back to using the 7290 and 7230. Please RIM!!!!
Not to mention the 7290 was an indestructible TANK
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Yes indestructible I have finally grown acustom to the 8700 in fact It feels weird when I go to the 72xx to play and I need EDGE
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Oh I hear you! I loved the durability and the keyboard on the 7290.... Loved the screen and other functions of the 8700....
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