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Old 11-04-2006, 11:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can you tell me exactly what they disabled here? Is there even an option for Location Based Services etc?
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Can you tell me exactly what they disabled here? Is there even an option for Location Based Services etc?
"Location Based Services" exists in Options, and shows "Location On" and "911 Only" as choices. I don't think it's any different than turning on GPS vs. E911 only in any other Verizon cell phone.

Also, the Web Browser includes a setting called "Enable JavaScript Location support" under Browser Options | General Properties.

I don't know how to determine whether that latter setting does anything special. The 8703e certainly doesn't come equipped with any GPS-Aware software from Verizon . . .

Edited to include: My experiences echo those seen with the 7130e here. Using the JavaScript in that thread, my coordinates are correct as long as I'm approximately 385 miles south and slightly to the east of Accra, Ghana. And I'm not.

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i haven't been able to find any sort of way to use the gps functions.. what websites make use of the javascript location support?
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i haven't been able to find any sort of way to use the gps functions.. what websites make use of the javascript location support?
I haven't either, but there was a JavaScript code snippet in the thread I linked to above that demonstrates the capability. I uploaded it to my own web space to test it out, and discovered that I was apparently adrift at sea, somewhere off the coast of Africa . . .
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I am assuming you need a BT puck since the 8800 will be the first to add GPS to the device itself. The threads say that it can be used on Sprint but not on VZ. I assume this is really cell tower location if you have no puck, but not sure and that's why I am asking.
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I am sure they will try and charge a monthly fee if they activate it. From Verizon's site this explains LBS and under availability on phones it states:

At the present time, LBS is not available on PDAs (Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM).

Only available on BREW enabled phones.

vzwdevelopers.com/aims/public/menu/lbs/LBSFAQ.jsp

I can't find the article now but there was mention of a WAP navigator in it for RIM.

Since I am on the road a lot nav software would help. I have heard a lot about Telenav on the forum here. Can anyone tell me if that runs well on a 8703e (with the needed puck) and also how data is on it? Opens channel often, intermittently, etc.

I only ask because I had a Treo and whenever it opened data channel for mail all calls went to VM. No ring, nothing.
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I am assuming you need a BT puck since the 8800 will be the first to add GPS to the device itself. The threads say that it can be used on Sprint but not on VZ. I assume this is really cell tower location if you have no puck, but not sure and that's why I am asking.
I got the impression that sprint users enjoyed true GPS, no puck required. I have a bluetooth puck I use with my Axim X51v, and I can't see how it would work with the 8703e. Guess I could try pairing it to see what happens.
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I am sure they will try and charge a monthly fee if they activate it. From Verizon's site this explains LBS and under availability on phones it states:

At the present time, LBS is not available on PDAs (Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM).

Only available on BREW enabled phones.

vzwdevelopers.com/aims/public/menu/lbs/LBSFAQ.jsp

I can't find the article now but there was mention of a WAP navigator in it for RIM.

Since I am on the road a lot nav software would help. I have heard a lot about Telenav on the forum here. Can anyone tell me if that runs well on a 8703e (with the needed puck) and also how data is on it? Opens channel often, intermittently, etc.

I only ask because I had a Treo and whenever it opened data channel for mail all calls went to VM. No ring, nothing.
Telenav seems to have very weak customer support but appears to have much better US Points of Interest than Wayfinder. I am really happy with www.wayfinder.com so far.
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Thanks. I will have to look in to Wayfinder. Might be a better choice anyway since Verizon will probably cripple the navigation they offer in some way.
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I got the impression that sprint users enjoyed true GPS, no puck required. I have a bluetooth puck I use with my Axim X51v, and I can't see how it would work with the 8703e. Guess I could try pairing it to see what happens.
Don't you need a pretty good size and power antenna to have true GPS, that's what the bluetooth pucks are for. It doesn't look like the 8703 has a strong enough antenna for that.
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I got the impression that sprint users enjoyed true GPS, no puck required. I have a bluetooth puck I use with my Axim X51v, and I can't see how it would work with the 8703e. Guess I could try pairing it to see what happens.

That is what I am wondering. Is it GPS or is it cell tower based?
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Don't you need a pretty good size and power antenna to have true GPS, that's what the bluetooth pucks are for. It doesn't look like the 8703 has a strong enough antenna for that.
Not anymore; the puck I have is about the size of a matchbox car, and it's mostly battery. There's no external antenna on it, and I get satellite lock in 10-30 seconds. I don't see why the same circuitry couldn't be in a cell phone or BB.
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That is what I am wondering. Is it GPS or is it cell tower based?
Dunno. If it's true GPS in a conventional cell phone, then I'd say it must be the same in the BB, as it's probably part of the standard CDMA chipset.

As an aside, I paired my GlobalSat BT-338 puck with my 8703e. Can't say I saw anything magical happen, though. The BB "saw" the puck's BT-GPS COM Port service, but I'm pretty sure it didn't know what to do with it; none of the menus looked any different, and the JavaScript snippet that demonstrates LBS still shows me at 0 0'00"N, 0 0'00"W.
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Dunno. If it's true GPS in a conventional cell phone, then I'd say it must be the same in the BB, as it's probably part of the standard CDMA chipset.

As an aside, I paired my GlobalSat BT-338 puck with my 8703e. Can't say I saw anything magical happen, though. The BB "saw" the puck's BT-GPS COM Port service, but I'm pretty sure it didn't know what to do with it; none of the menus looked any different, and the JavaScript snippet that demonstrates LBS still shows me at 0 0'00"N, 0 0'00"W.
You will need third party software now like www.wayfinder.com. If you had os 4.2 (not possible) then I think you could use BB Maps. When RIM releases BBMaps for the 8700 then you will really be VZ screwed.
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I think my VZW GPS petition says it all..

no gps in VZW berries as of yet. It has been intentionally disabled in the 8703e
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I think my VZW GPS petition says it all..

no gps in VZW berries as of yet. It has been intentionally disabled in the 8703e

HMM? Not sure it says it all. Please be specific. Seems like A-GPS has been disabled but don't know if that is what you are saying?If it were enabled, then what? Emergency services can locate you? Will you be able to use BBMaps? And other third party software? The consequences are not clear to me at all and that is why I started this thread.
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HMM? Not sure it says it all. Please be specific. Seems like A-GPS has been disabled but don't know if that is what you are saying?If it were enabled, then what? Emergency services can locate you? Will you be able to use BBMaps? And other third party software? The consequences are not clear to me at all and that is why I started this thread.

Full GPS functionality has been disable by VZW. You would need a BT puck for any GPS software.
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You will need third party software now like www.wayfinder.com. If you had os 4.2 (not possible) then I think you could use BB Maps. When RIM releases BBMaps for the 8700 then you will really be VZ screwed.
Alas, Wayfinder appears to support only GPRS BB's, and not external pucks.
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You will need third party software now like www.wayfinder.com. If you had os 4.2 (not possible) then I think you could use BB Maps. When RIM releases BBMaps for the 8700 then you will really be VZ screwed.
Alas, Wayfinder appears to support only GPRS BB's, and not external pucks.
Maybe GRPS only but pucks are supported. They sell them and I am using one.
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Maybe GRPS only but pucks are supported. They sell them and I am using one.
With an 8700 series BB?

I know that pucks are supported, but I got the impression from reading their material that support was limited to PCs, PDAs and smartphones using operating systems other than the BB's.
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