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Old 11-30-2006, 02:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm looking to get either the 8703e or the Treo 650, and don't know which to get. I've seen a lot of posts that answer some of my questions, but....I've spent the last 4 hours researching between the 2 and need more help...PLEASE.

Things I want/that are important to me:
Phone; email access; GPS; PDA that will sync with MS Outlook for contacts, calender, tasks, email; COST

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1) does the 8703 already come with the Telenav GPS in it. Or do you subscribe to it for $9.99/mo?
2) does it sync automatically with computer or do you have to hook it up?
3) the TREO 650 allows you to constantly sync with your computer and allows you to access files from your computer remotely...can the BB88703 do this?
4) when you use TeleNav GPS, are you using phone minutes?
5) does the 8703 have touch screen dial, etc?
6) with the Treo you cannot use the bluetooth headset while using the GPS Nav, correct? What about with the 8703?
7) Can you talk on the phone while useing Telenav?
8) are there other things I haven't mentioned that I should know?

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Old 11-30-2006, 07:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No it doesn't come with Telenav. It costs. No you don't use phone minutes. Same on the BT. Yes you can talk while using Telenav.

No touch screen dial but full qwerty so is that the same to you? In some set ups it can sync wireless with BT. For full BB experience you need to be on BES not the carriers BIS. BES is usually corp or individuals can pay for it. See my Yahoo/Gmail page for more info on that. You can access your PC with certain programs. Shapeservices makes one of many.
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Old 11-30-2006, 07:55 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I went from a few 650's to a blackberry 7130(carrier didn't have 8703e yet) I went through 3 brand new 650's in 5 days then traded in and got the BB. The treo's reception was extremely poor even when I should have had a full signal(in the middle of a city) and the thing locked up constantly with no added third party apps. The BB is faster, has more useable third-party apps and is just plain stable. The cool thing also is that the best apps for the BB are free vs paying for them on the treo.

Like posted before the telenav is not free, it is 9.99 a month. The BB does not have a touchscreen, but the scroll wheel is just plain awesome. I know alltel and verizon will let your try smartphones and if you are not satisfied, you can return/exchange them. Just make sure that you stay within the time frame and also check the fine print on the amount of minutes/talk-time you can use. I tried nextel once, wasn't told of the minute cap and got screwed because I put like 120 minutes on their phone and returned it because I found out we had only 1 nextel tower in our town.

So all in all, just get the blackberry....it will be cheaper and less frustrating. If you do get the treo you might want to pick up an additional phone so at least you have that one working while the treo is locked up.
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Thank you for your help. Your page was very helpful. I'm really leaning toward the 8703e. I have a couple questions in re: to your email.
You said: In some set ups it can sync wireless with BT. What set ups can you do this? I didn't find an answer to that on your site.
You said: For full BB experience you need to be on BES not the carriers BIS. BES is usually corp or individuals can pay for it. Where do you get BES and how much is it?
You said: You can access your PC with certain programs. Shapeservices makes one of many. What is shape services? Where do you get it? How much does it cost?

More questions:
Your site talked about built in GPS chip vs. blue tooth puck. Does the 8703e have a built in GPS chip? If you use the BT Puck, does this mean you can't use the BT headset at the same time?

TIA, Again!
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One more question:
On your site you said: "There are four different programs discussed here: Blackberry Maps, Spot, Wayfinder, and Telenav. The one thing all these programs have in common is that the maps are not stored on the BB, so they use data and possibly lots of data for those not on an unlimited plan."

What does it mean when you say "use lots of data". I currently don't have a data plan on my phone but understand that I'll have to get one to use the internet, email access and all that, but I don't really understand what you mean by that. Can you please explain?
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One more question:
On your site you said: "There are four different programs discussed here: Blackberry Maps, Spot, Wayfinder, and Telenav. The one thing all these programs have in common is that the maps are not stored on the BB, so they use data and possibly lots of data for those not on an unlimited plan."

What does it mean when you say "use lots of data". I currently don't have a data plan on my phone but understand that I'll have to get one to use the internet, email access and all that, but I don't really understand what you mean by that. Can you please explain?
Not sure what to say. Can you get an unlimited data plan and if so no worries. Data plans provide email and internet. Maps come in through the data connection.
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Side not: why the 650?? why not the new 680 or one from the 700 series?? treo's are all garbage anyway, IMO, but why 650????
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I've owned a Cingular 650 and was not impressed. Like many others with or/without 3rd party software it froze. Not to mention trying to find similar programs to Berry411 BerryGoogler Google Maps and Blackberry maps is difficult and they don't work as well. The hardware? Well in my opinion the earpiece sounded hollow when listening, the speaker phone crackly but it was nice and heavty feeling I'll give it that. I went thru 3 of them within my trial period till i got a good one. The touch screen was cool but I got over it pretty quickly when i switched to a BB.

The BB just offers more overall stability, with if you read the rumours, more great features to come.
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For what it's worth, I've been a Palm user for around 10 years, I've had four Palm Smartphones (Kyocera, Samsung, Treo 600 and 650). I finally got rid of the Palm earlier this week because it's just not reliable. Constant dropped calls, crashes once a month, things are less than easy to use (and it adds up over time) and push email never worked.

I bought two new Blackberries (for me and my wife, also a long-time Palm user) from Sprint and have had mine working for a couple of days. I have to say, it is a day-and-night kinda thing. Everything on the Blackberry just works, period. You install a new app, it just works. Bluetooth works, satnav (using the new BBmaps, which is free but no voice prompts) works. Speakerphone works. Voice quality is superb. Push email works. Everything just works. Plus it's much smaller, lighter and has no antenna.

I would stay away from the Palm unless you are into futzing with technology until it works. I've been a geek for 20+ years, but, even then, sometimes you just want stuff that works as advertised. The Palm, sadly, doesn't.

That said, the BB I have (8703e) does not have a camera, which I'd like. The UI is very easy to use and the scroll wheel is brilliant, you don't need a touchscreen at all.

Overall, the Blackberry does something which technology all too often fails to do, deliver on it's promise. The Palm is a more sexy device, this is true. And it's got a lot more 3rd party apps. But if your goal is to have a full featured PDA/phone with push email, the Treo is no competition to the Blackberry. The ONLY thing the Palm has which is better than the Treo is a good desktop PIM. With BB you have to use Outlook or a server-based PIM (which is what I do).

My wife, who is a tech exec (and a luddite, if you can believe that) raves about it, and she usually hates new gadgets.

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Thanks everyone! Your input was so helpful. I just purchased the BB8703e! Yippee!
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Congrats I'm sure more than myself will say you'll be happy with your choice...
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