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Old 02-09-2007, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is there any other way to tether my 8700c to my laptop on Cingular? I had "wireless express" on my BB data plan but it was removed and cingular reps refuse to put it back on, unless I get the 79.99 data plan.

I tried Shark Modem and that doesn't work. Any ideas?
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Old 02-09-2007, 08:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Did you try the method in my tips doc. If you can connect to the internet it should work.
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I tried the method in the faq about tethering. I can connect to the internet from my BB but cannot get it to tether to my laptop, it does not show up as a modem at all. Perhaps your tips doc is a different document altogether. Where can I find it?
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Stinsonddog - apologies if I seem dumb and blind, but on my BB your sig does not show. Now that I'm on my laptop I see it.

At any rate I already bit the bullet and called Cingular to switch to the BB tethering plan, since nothing else seemed to work for tethering my device.

Thanks anyway.

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Oh well grab the tips doc anyway as there is other useful stuff too. I don't know why Shark didn't work for you.
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Oh well grab the tips doc anyway as there is other useful stuff too. I don't know why Shark didn't work for you.
Thank you, I will. I think Shark didn't work for me because I'm on BIS and not a BES plan. It installed fine and saw the BB, but would not send or receive anything. Anyway thanks again for trying to help.
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Thank you, I will. I think Shark didn't work for me because I'm on BIS and not a BES plan. It installed fine and saw the BB, but would not send or receive anything. Anyway thanks again for trying to help.
Did you enter TCP and APN settings. If not try again. Also tethering is not great for surfing, nothing is on EDGE. Its fine for emailing. IMO.
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Did you enter TCP and APN settings. If not try again. Also tethering is not great for surfing, nothing is on EDGE. Its fine for emailing. IMO.
I did enter TCP and APN settings, still no dice. I travel a lot and can't always find a wifi signal on the road, which is why I need to tether. Just to lookup directions on mapquest pretty much and to log onto my company server to get updates to my itinerary.
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I can connect to the internet from my BB but cannot get it to tether to my laptop, it does not show up as a modem at all.
This is generally a problem with your install of Desktop Manager. When properly installed, Desktop Manager should install the modem driver and set up your BB as a modem in the modems control panel.

Also, IIRC, DM must be running, your BB must be connected via USB, and you must have entered your password if you've enabled the password in security for the BB modem to show up/work.
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maybe I should start my own thread, but this looks the a good place to add my troubles to the cingular/modem thing:

I can get as far as PPP negotiation, but winderz fails with a 763 (think that's right, it was all the way back ....yesterday) ... This is a failed PPP connect I think. Could it be passwd/username? I used the [email address] (in caps) and CINGULAR1

Any other ideas?

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maybe I should start my own thread, but this looks the a good place to add my troubles to the cingular/modem thing:

I can get as far as PPP negotiation, but winderz fails with a 763 (think that's right, it was all the way back ....yesterday) ... This is a failed PPP connect I think. Could it be passwd/username? I used the [email address] (in caps) and CINGULAR1

Any other ideas?

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I meant [email address]
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I meant [email address]

Well I set it to [email address] ... and it worked. Now to boot into OSX and figure that one out.
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I too am a Cingular customer, but I have no clue if I'm a "blue" or an "orange customer or if after the merger it matters anyway.

I've tried to use Stinsondog's FAQ to connect to the internet via tethering, but I also get hung up with a 763 error -- regardless of whether I use the "blue" or "orange" method from the FAQ.

My Cingular bill includes "XPMail w/BB UNL" for $44.99.

Is it still possible in February 2007 to tether a notebook from an 8700c without going to the $79.99 Blackberry Tethered data plan? Or has Cingular made that impossible now?

Is anyone successfully tethering to an 8700c without paying for a tethering plan? If so, how are you doing it? What are your settings? What's on your bill?

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Again you must have the tethering plan if you need this to work. It's hit or miss otherwise. You either need to pay for it or find a carrier that includes it with their standard BB plan. Even if you get it to work without the plan, Cingular is known for charging you at the pay-per-use rate for historical tethering usage.
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I had no problems getting it to work but it runs around $80 per hour without the tethering plan. Cingular will nail you with extra data charges even with the "unlimited" data plan.
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Well if you're paying for the tethering plan, then Cingular ought to provide crystal clear, idiot-proof instructions, which should make searching this site for hacks or tips to do it unnecessary. My search was in the hope that it was still possible to slip under the radar and tether with nothing more than the $44.99 BB unlimited plan.

If I have to pay $35 a month MORE to tether (on top of the $44.99 I pay now) and I can't make or receive a phone call while tethering, then it makes a lot more sense to me just to get a Sprint/Nextel data card and pay $39.99/month for 40mb/month or $59.99/month for unlimited. Sprint/Nextel's EV-DO bandwidth beats the pants off of Cingular's EDGE stuff. Sprint won't require me to have my cell phone with Sprint. I can keep my existing Cingular 8700c and use Sprint only for data access.
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How fast is Sprint's EV-DO?
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How fast is Sprint's EV-DO?
This article at Wikipedia says:

Compared to EDGE networks employed by GSM networks, the EV-DO feature of CDMA2000 networks is significantly faster, providing access to mobile devices with air interface speeds of up to 2.45 Mb/s with Rev. 0 and up to 3.1 Mb/s with Rev. A. Only terminals with EV-DO chipsets can take advantage of the higher speeds. HSDPA a competing technology for W-CDMA networks does have the advantage of maintaining voice and data channels simultaneously over a single pair of frequencies, while EV-DO does not.

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The EV-DO Rev B specification is the progressive evolution of the EV-DO Rev A specification. EV-DO Rev B maintains the capabilities of EVDO Rev A, and provides the following enhancements:
* Higher rates per carrier (up to 4.9 Mbps on the downlink).



This other article at Wikipedia says:

EDGE can carry data speeds up to 236.8 kbit/s for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots) in packet mode and will therefore meet the International Telecommunications Union's requirement for a 3G network, and has been accepted by the ITU as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards. It also enhances the circuit data mode called HSCSD, increasing the data rate of this service.

As far as what you get in the real world with Cingular's EDGE vs. Sprint/Nextel's EV-DO, I frankly don't know, but I'm sure both are way below their theoretical maximums. Nevertheless, everything I've heard or read is that EV-DO in the real world is noticeably faster than EDGE in the real world -- at least when speaking of notebook computers with data cards. I'm not so sure that the puny cpu and ram in a blackberry is robust enough that either technology is noticeably faster. But since my need is for notebook connectivity, I tend to see paying $40 or $60 a month for EV-DO on a card for my notebook as a better deal than $35 a month for tethering my laptop to a blackberry on EDGE. It's not an apples-apples comparison. Not everyone has the same needs or desires.

I'd pay $10 a month for tethering at Cingular, but I won't pay $35 for tethering at Cingular. I'll just get the Sprint card for $40/month and pay as I go.
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