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Old 02-13-2007, 09:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The current release of the 8800 model has nothing really over the Pearl besides the built in GPS. The only model it trumps in features is the 8700 series type handheld because of being a bit thinner and a trackball and expandable memory. The cool factor with the shiny coat will soon fade away due to nothing being different software related. It is still almost as bulky in size as the 8700.
The 8700 will have maps, picture caller id etc with a software upgrade too ( I know, since I have the beta on it)

The Pearl has too much going for it over the 8800 as it is being released currently.
The thin sleek form factor, the camera, trackball and expandable memory of the Pearl while still being a blackberry at heart will trump the cameraless 8800. I will admit I was not initially sold on the Pearl (returned it once and then re bought it) but the portability of the Pearl is a tremendous asset.


No wifi, No camera on the current version in my opinion only beats the 8700 models.
Current Pearl owners would probably be wise to bide their time.
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I predict businesses will eat this up. It will be a huge success. Especially since there will be a push to upgrade old Blackberrys that are not DST patch compatible. The 8800 will be a typical RIM success. It's not a comsumer device. It is for the large corporate and government customers, who don't care about the camera. And I've yet to have one internal customer come up and say "I really need WiFi on my BlackBerry".
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I predict businesses will eat this up. It will be a huge success. Especially since there will be a push to upgrade old Blackberrys that are not DST patch compatible. The 8800 will be a typical RIM success. It's not a comsumer device. It is for the large corporate and government customers, who don't care about the camera. And I've yet to have one internal customer come up and say "I really need WiFi on my BlackBerry".
Agree 100%

While I am just a consumer, and BB addict.... I can care less about WiFi and can care even less about a camera.....
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I will get (several) 8800s to play around with. Not sure if I am going to switch - I really like the Pearl, but we'll see.
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I'm with the OP that the 8800 doesn't excite me at all. I'm waiting for a more pearl like version of the 8800 or dare I say I'm waiting for the i..... (ya'll know what I'm talking about).
Besides 4.2, trackball and form factor the 8800 I don't see it offering anything more...
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JC, I will trade you one 8100, one pair of old sneakers, one spongebob stuffed animal, and two happy meal toys for the 8800 you get from Nj.....
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I'm with the OP that the 8800 doesn't excite me at all. I'm waiting for a more pearl like version of the 8800 or dare I say I'm waiting for the i..... (ya'll know what I'm talking about).
Besides 4.2, trackball and form factor the 8800 I don't see it offering anything more...
Think 8100 with qwerty! Ohhhhhhhh ya baby!
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Your girlfriend is ugly too- your post resembles a statement such as that. NJ is right. We have 14,000 BBs. Many need an upgrade. 8800 offers home screen shortcuts unlike the 8100. Convenience over camera. Big success in biz market.
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The current release of the 8800 model has nothing really over the Pearl besides the built in GPS. The only model it trumps in features is the 8700 series type handheld because of being a bit thinner and a trackball and expandable memory. The cool factor with the shiny coat will soon fade away due to nothing being different software related. It is still almost as bulky in size as the 8700.
The 8700 will have maps, picture caller id etc with a software upgrade too ( I know, since I have the beta on it)

The Pearl has too much going for it over the 8800 as it is being released currently.
The thin sleek form factor, the camera, trackball and expandable memory of the Pearl while still being a blackberry at heart will trump the cameraless 8800. I will admit I was not initially sold on the Pearl (returned it once and then re bought it) but the portability of the Pearl is a tremendous asset.


No wifi, No camera on the current version in my opinion only beats the 8700 models.
Current Pearl owners would probably be wise to bide their time.
Nothing invalid about your opinion, as one's perspective is shaped by their own requirements. As for the 8800 being designed with corp needs in mind ... I have to wonder whatever happened to the old argument that allowing expandable memory was a security risk unacceptable to government/corporate.

Coming from a 8700-owner's perspective, unless either voice-dialing, enabled GPS, or justing getting 4.2 is your deal-maker/breaker, there may not be enough motivation to make the move (to the currently spec'd AT&T version).

From a Pearl-owners perspective, the main change would be adopting a QWERTY keyboard and getting enabled GPS on the 8800 while losing the camera (based upon the currently spec'd AT&T version).

From my perspective, the 8800 is a stepping stone to the next great blackberry which (likely) won't cause me to leave my 8700.

Disappointment (or approval) is in the eye of the beholder.
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Nothing invalid about your opinion, as one's perspective is shaped by their own requirements. As for the 8800 being designed with corp needs in mind ... I have to wonder whatever happened to the old argument that allowing expandable memory was a security risk unacceptable to government/corporate.

Coming from a 8700-owner's perspective, unless either voice-dialing, enabled GPS, or justing getting 4.2 is your deal-maker/breaker, there may not be enough motivation to make the move (to the currently spec'd AT&T version).

From a Pearl-owners perspective, the main change would be adopting a QWERTY keyboard and getting enabled GPS on the 8800 while losing the camera (based upon the currently spec'd AT&T version).

From my perspective, the 8800 is a stepping stone to the next great blackberry which (likely) won't cause me to leave my 8700.

Disappointment (or approval) is in the eye of the beholder.
Very well said. While some say many of the features will be on the 8700 with 4.2, there are many, many that don't have an 8XXX yet and will go for this.
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Yes, Yes, All valid points.

BUT, you forget the one cardinal rule for Smartphones. The holy grail of design that has been sought after since the Treo 180 days and caused the demise of several feature loaded devices.

SIZE.


ONLY the Pearl can lay claim to be the smallest out there, yet.


I would have taken the BlackJack but I HAD to have a blackberry since I am getting it out of pocket to use a corporate provided data plan and since all my messages from multiple sources need to flow flawlessly through the company.


It is not difficult to stick WIFI/GPS/EDGE in a BRICK. Cingular already has a nice Nokia Brick that does it right now.

The 8700/8800/7290 in their present shape and form are BRICKS.

Just because you need a phone for corporate use does not have to make it bulky.


A pretty calculator is still a pretty calculator, not a phone.
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No wifi, No camera on the current version in my opinion only beats the 8700 models.
Current Pearl owners would probably be wise to bide their time.
I concur. I was holding off buying a pearl just to see what the 8800 would be like (my wife has pearl so I've used it quite extensively). As of now it's a dissapointment to me. Hopefully the tmo version will have camera and wifi. I also agree a smaller package is a plus. The only thing I give the 8800 over the pearl is the bigger screen. The one thing that would peak my curiosity is the OS. The pearl seems a little slower responding than the 8700g. If the 8800 gets rid of that pearl drag it has my attention...a little.
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I agree with what Treominator says to an extent. I disagree about the Pearl being the end all perfect size device. Remember it's SureType and some people just want a QWERTY keyboard (me included). I tried the Pearl and, while I thought the size was amazing, I just could'nt get used to the typing.

For me, the 8800 is a nice improvement from the 8700 (at least from what I've seen in the comparison photos to the 8700).
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I agree with what Treominator says to an extent. I disagree about the Pearl being the end all perfect size device. Remember it's SureType and some people just want a QWERTY keyboard (me included). I tried the Pearl and, while I thought the size was amazing, I just could'nt get used to the typing.

For me, the 8800 is a nice improvement from the 8700 (at least from what I've seen in the comparison photos to the 8700).
You obviously get it! It boils down to the use of the device. While features can be crammed into virtually any phone the depth of a RAZR, for extensive, detailed emailing needs, one requires a QWERTY device. This also dictates a certain width of the device because there is a critical point in which the keys, regardless of form, become too small for adult hands.

The Treo (600's and beyond) hit a sweetspot in the consumer/prosumer market for its form-factor. It's keyboard is known to be too small (keys too closely located) for lengthy emailing without numerous typing errors, however. The 8800 is heading in the direction of the Treo's form-factor which concerns me a bit, but I'll get it in-hand to experiment with once it's in the street to see if, for my purposes, it may be a viable contender. If it meets my needs, and assuming the 9xxx retains virtually the same keyboard, I'll be glad to move to the 9xxx as soon as it hits in all its glory!
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Originally Posted by Treominator
The current release of the 8800 model has nothing really over the Pearl besides the built in GPS. The only model it trumps in features is the 8700 series type handheld because of being a bit thinner and a trackball and expandable memory. The cool factor with the shiny coat will soon fade away due to nothing being different software related. It is still almost as bulky in size as the 8700.
The 8700 will have maps, picture caller id etc with a software upgrade too ( I know, since I have the beta on it)

The Pearl has too much going for it over the 8800 as it is being released currently.
The thin sleek form factor, the camera, trackball and expandable memory of the Pearl while still being a blackberry at heart will trump the cameraless 8800. I will admit I was not initially sold on the Pearl (returned it once and then re bought it) but the portability of the Pearl is a tremendous asset.


No wifi, No camera on the current version in my opinion only beats the 8700 models.
Current Pearl owners would probably be wise to bide their time.
With your total of 29 posts we will all follow your intuition and not buy the 8800 . . . . WRONG.

I am glad you are not handling my stocks! The 8800 and 8900 will be the biggest success that RIM has had.

The fact that you even make such a stupid statement show you know not what you are talking about. You must be using a Windoz device for sure!
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Yes, Yes, All valid points.

BUT, you forget the one cardinal rule for Smartphones. The holy grail of design that has been sought after since the Treo 180 days and caused the demise of several feature loaded devices.

SIZE.


ONLY the Pearl can lay claim to be the smallest out there, yet.


I would have taken the BlackJack but I HAD to have a blackberry since I am getting it out of pocket to use a corporate provided data plan and since all my messages from multiple sources need to flow flawlessly through the company.


It is not difficult to stick WIFI/GPS/EDGE in a BRICK. Cingular already has a nice Nokia Brick that does it right now.

The 8700/8800/7290 in their present shape and form are BRICKS.

Just because you need a phone for corporate use does not have to make it bulky.


A pretty calculator is still a pretty calculator, not a phone.
Just cause they can make it small does not make it better. I have to deal with 50-60 emails a day in the field. I need a good horizonal screen format, good QWERTY keyboard, push email and also a good phone. The 8800 provide what the Pearl did not.

I tried the Treo and it was fat and clumbsy and worst it used a stylus which is stupid for a device these days unless you are going to draw pretty pictures and send them to your friends. Treo email was horrible compared to the Blackberry

While I can not fault anyone for wanting a smaller device, RIM provide a Pearl for you and for those who need larger, the 8800 will be perfect!
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"With your total of 29 posts we will all follow your intuition and not buy the 8800 . . . . WRONG."

LOL <----- Look I made Post #30


A Hundred more of these followed by and I will be back in business as a legitimate poster


PS. Never used a Windows device but used practically every Treo (Hence nickname) and a few Blackberries since inception.
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