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Old 02-22-2007, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright I need to know the EXACT video format specifications for the 8800.

I need:

- Compatible File Types
- Compatible Frame Rates
- Compatible Video Bitrate
- Compatible imbedded Audio Bitrate (for Video)
- Imbedded Audio Suported File Types (for Video)

Also I was wondering if we can do streaming audio now, or even streaming video. Let me know.

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Old 02-22-2007, 09:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There is a thread somewhere about video on the 8100. Just change the params to the new screen size.
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I downloaded the latest mencoder and ran this command on TheDeparted.avi that I had for my XBMC to play.
D:\mplayer>mencoder -vf scale=320:-2 d:\DivX\TheDeparted.avi -o TheDeparted_8800.avi -of avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=320:acodec=mp3:abitrate=64

MEncoder 1.0rc1-3.4.2 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team

and it plays flawlessly.
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So it supports... what? A specification thread about a single encoder is sort of useless to me. I need to know what file extensions the 8800 supports, what framerate, Max bitrate per different file extensions, what encoders to use.

In all actuality that MEncoder is too basic for me.

I looked for the specs on the 8100 and all I found was a how-to thread that tells how to convert using a specific program. I'm using a combination of programs including Avid, Quicktime Pro, and Final Cut.

I don't understand why there is no detailed video specifications availible on RIM's website. They say go to "blackberry8800.com" for more detailed list of supported file formats,but when I go there it's just a bunch of useless feature lists with no real specifications anywhere.

I need to know every last little nitty-gritty detail about the video playback functionality of the 8800.

I'm also interested in the speed of the SD card interface, and what it's bandwidth is on the 8800. That will be very important to smooth video playback.
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VidGameKing,

I don't know what you are trying to do with these detailed spec, but I am kind of surprised that no one thus far has provided such information. I think I read it somewhere...H.264 and MPEG-4 for video, mp3 for audio, png, gif and jpg for pictures, but I know that is entirely not sufficient amount of information for you, so I will try to find out online for you.

At the meantime, I just want you to know that it plays mp4 files fine with very little delay. I will try it with a 500MB 302x2?? 1:40 length 500 kbs Finding Nemo mp4 file tonight for you to see if it can do that.
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Default Ok, here you go, I got the comprehensive list

1. BlackBerry Media application - Supported Media Types

The BlackBerry Media application supports the playing of various audio and video file formats. This section has information on supported and unsupported video formats, audio formats, and audio file containers.

Refer below for an overview of supported and unsupported video formats.

Supported Video Formats
  • * MPEG-4 Part 2 (Simple Profile and bvop, including DivX 4)
    File formats - .avi, .3gp, .mp4, .mov
    Video - Up to 320 x 240, up to 800 kbps, up to 30 frames per second
  • * H.263 (Profile 0 & Profile 3)
    File formats - .avi, .3gp, .mp4, .mov
    Video - up to 320 x 240, up to 800 kbps, up to 30 frames per second
  • * Windows Media Video (Simple Profile)
    File formats - .wmv
    Video - Up to 320 x 240, up to 800 kbps, up to 24 frames per second

Note: Windows Media Video is supported in BlackBerry Device Software 4.2.1 only.


Unsupported Video Formats
  • * MPEG-4 Part 10 (H.264 / AVC)
  • * MPEG-4 Part 2 (Advanced Simple Profile)
  • * H.263+
  • * DivX 3, 5, 6
  • * XviD
  • * 3GPP2 (.3g2)
  • * Windows Media Video Main/Advanced Profile (.wmv)
  • * Advanced Systems Format (.asf)
  • * Real Media (.rm)
  • * MPEG-1 / MPEG-2

Refer to the table below for an overview of supported and unsupported audio formats.

Supported Audio Formats

  • * MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Layer 3 (.mp3)
  • * AAC/AAC+/eAAC+ (.m4a or .aac)
  • * MIDI (.mid or .smf)
  • * AMR-NB (.amr)
  • * WAVE (.wav)
  • * Windows Media Audio (.wma)
  • * WMAPro - 16 bit, stereo output configuration (.wma)

Note: Windows Media Audio and WMAPro are supported in BlackBerry Device Software 4.2.1 only.



Unsupported Audio Formats
  • * MPEG-1 Layer 1 & 2
  • * MPEG-2 Layer 1 & 2
  • * Real Audio (.ra)


Additionally, the BlackBerry Media application is designed to support the following audio file containers:
  • * .avi containing PCM, MP3, and AAC/ACC+/eACC+
  • * .3gp containing MP3, AMR-NB, AAC/AAC+, and eACC+
  • * .mp4 containing MP3, AMR-NB, AAC/AAC+, and eACC+
  • * .mov containing MP3, AMR-NB, AAC/AAC+, and eACC+
  • * .wmv containing WMA

Note: WMA is supported in BlackBerry Device Software 4.2.1 only.



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Edit: Ok, I can't get any file created by HandBrake to play on my 8800. Only PodTube can make compatible mp4 files.
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can't be size. I had entire lotr two towers movie encoded down to 750mb play on my pearl. The departed i just loaded on 8800 is 415mb and plays.
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can't be size. I had entire lotr two towers movie encoded down to 750mb play on my pearl. The departed i just loaded on 8800 is 415mb and plays.
what software?
can you teach me how to convert my mp4 to compatible format?

I believe it's not size either. I just encoded 20MB files in avi and mp4, both didn't play.
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Thank you!!! Thats perfect! Exactly what I was looking for! It explains why my videos that were .mp4 @ 1500kbps weren't playing. Also my H.264...


Now I can play!!!
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I just used MEncoder to encode correct avi movie for 8800. Ended up with a 500mb 1 hr 40 mins movie.
I was able to play fine for the first 10 minutes, then the sound went away. When I scroll the seek bar to the middle of the film, an error says it's unsupported format.
I closed it, and reopened the file, able to play the beginning, but always tells me unsupported format whenever I try to play past the beginning.

The avi file plays fine on my computer.
Other mp4 files coded by a different software worked fine.

Anyone has the same problem?
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i was having the same problems with 80mb videos i was converting...i ended up downsizing the screen size of the file to 280xsomething i forgot what i used and the jerkyness and audio cut outs went away...ill have to post back what exact size i used...
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It's pointless to record something in full screen size. (320x240) since the media player doesn't have a full-screen mode. I've found that @ 172 vertiacal pixles that you can see the video completely. just keep whatever aspect ratio you've got going and everything will be fine! I've also found that cinimascope's aspect ratio seems to fill the whole viewable video area.
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Trying to finish up the BBVC 8800 release:

I need some help - early adapters/gadget-heads listen up!

Could someone with an 8800 please verify that these resolutions will fill the screen?

400 x 220

320 x 160

280 x 130

Also, just for grins, could someone please verify that the 320 x -2 switch will maintain the original aspect ratio?

These are rough estimates since I have not yet got my hands on an 8800. I am hoping to release the next version soon, I just want to get this right...

I guess I could play Micro$oft and just release 17 patches a month after I release the "finished" version but I am trying to avoid that.

Please, no M$ fanboy flames, I LOVE windoze.
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Trying to finish up the BBVC 8800 release:

I need some help - early adapters/gadget-heads listen up!

Could someone with an 8800 please verify that these resolutions will fill the screen?

400 x 220

320 x 160

280 x 130

Also, just for grins, could someone please verify that the 320 x -2 switch will maintain the original aspect ratio?

These are rough estimates since I have not yet got my hands on an 8800. I am hoping to release the next version soon, I just want to get this right...

I guess I could play Micro$oft and just release 17 patches a month after I release the "finished" version but I am trying to avoid that.

Please, no M$ fanboy flames, I LOVE windoze.

if u can wait till monday i can test all the ratios out for you unless someone else can get to it sooner...
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Are you going to create a "maintain aspect ratio" choice that will fit in the space as well. I assume that will take into consideration the player.


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Trying to finish up the BBVC 8800 release:

I need some help - early adapters/gadget-heads listen up!

Could someone with an 8800 please verify that these resolutions will fill the screen?

400 x 220

320 x 160

280 x 130

Also, just for grins, could someone please verify that the 320 x -2 switch will maintain the original aspect ratio?

See the attached.

These are rough estimates since I have not yet got my hands on an 8800. I am hoping to release the next version soon, I just want to get this right...

I guess I could play Micro$oft and just release 17 patches a month after I release the "finished" version but I am trying to avoid that.

Please, no M$ fanboy flames, I LOVE windoze.
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Are you going to create a "maintain aspect ratio" choice that will fit in the space as well. I assume that will take into consideration the player.
if im not mistaken, there was an option for maintaining aspect ratio, even with the bb pearl version of this software.
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try video vault has all format's to convert any video to a smartphone.
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Well did some testing last night and apparently 320x180 fills the screen perfectly. 280x158 is the smaller size however the 400x225 I've encoded 3 times and each time the top half of my screen is green, the bottom half is black and overlayed on top of that is the video which is an even smaller size than the 280x128 vid.

Edit: I was trying to take an SS for the boards and this time the video ran with no green background, still quite small on the BB screen though. Tried playing a few more times and the size of the green background varies from covering all of the screen to covering none at all.

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I am having a similar experience.

I am having luck using this URL to convert Google and YT

http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php

I am using 1.13d of BBVC and having alot of luck with the 320x180 setting.

I didn't think I would like this so much but I have a Three Stooges, 2 Lance Armstrong and Patches the Horse on it so far. Check out Patches
Patches the Horse - Google Video

so funny.
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I am going to close this thread as I have started a new one with a sticky. I will move the format post to that thread too.
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