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Old 03-15-2007, 04:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi folks,

1st post here (and I've been a happy BB user for a few months now).

A couple of things would make life perfect for me.

a) VOIP client. Wouldn't it be great if there was a VOIP client app for BB? Does anyone know of one?

I have proved that the speed from the BB (via 3G) is fine for VOIP carriage. I tested this by running the BB as a tethered modem, and ran a VOIP softphone (Xlite) on my PC and connected back to my office (via the internet) and then made calls out from my office PBX (yet another hop out onto the internet from my office PBX to make a VOIP call). So, the technology exists and the path works and is perfectly fine for carriage. What I need is the client software for the BB. This would be the ulimtate, to be able to make pure VOIP (data) calls from the BB (connecting back to my office PBX) - and then by it's nature, be able to answer incoming calls to the PBX on my BB.

b) I'm still waiting for v4.2 o/s. Does anyone know when this might be released? Why? Becuase, I can't play .WAV files on my BB. It seems crazy that the BB (in it's factory default mode) can't play .WAV files. Surely it is understood that the reason why you have a BB is to be away from the office. And, doesn't it follow that many folks get voicemails sent to them as email attachments, and that those attachments are .WAV files. And I can't play them!

One suggestion was for me to put in a BES - but, that involves more steps and considerations (such as having to do spam filtering at my server, rather than at my ISP servers), plus I just hesitant to put in a BES (just another thing to maintain and break) and whilst I can install on my SBS2003 box, I am naturally hesitant to screw around with a known good working server.

So, my rant is over (and I feel much better now), so, in summary...

i) VOIP client
ii) Play WAV files

and I'd be in BB heaven...whilst at the moment I am just a happy high flyer.

TIA.
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Old 03-15-2007, 12:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't know about a VoIP client for the BB or when OS 4.2 will be out, except for what everyone keeps saying, soon.

I am more curious than anything. Don't you have a phone plan on your BB? I don't see the point in trying to run a VoIP client on your BB if you have a phone plan.

One other thing I just thought about, if you want to use this in conjunction with your PBX, the VoIP client would probably have to be compliant with that system.
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Old 03-15-2007, 12:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You can use Webmessenger to connect to your Skype account and do voicecalls, in additio to IM. If you get SkypeOut and SkypeIn ($70/year total) then you can call regular phone numbers from your Skype account (thus your Blackberry) and people can call you using a landline to your Skype account.

The only thing I don't like about Webmessenger is that you need to run an application on your computer at home to do the calls. So basically Webmessenger runs on your Blackberry and routes back your call to your home computer which is also connected to Skype and your home computer calls or receives the call. I didn't try it personnaly yet, but I'm planning to.
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the only thing i know about like that is webmessenger as well...i asked them about why I have to run a file on my desktop as well... I guess skype isn't open source, thus they cannot develop a client with skype's api that runs off my mobile device. anyone heard of any other products that have this functionality?
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I don't know about a VoIP client for the BB or when OS 4.2 will be out, except for what everyone keeps saying, soon.

I am more curious than anything. Don't you have a phone plan on your BB? I don't see the point in trying to run a VoIP client on your BB if you have a phone plan.

One other thing I just thought about, if you want to use this in conjunction with your PBX, the VoIP client would probably have to be compliant with that system.

Um - yeah - of course I have a phone plan - it's a BB -

I want a VOIP client, because it's the holy grail of telecommunications...sheesh...making data calls whilst mobile...bypass the tolls of the mobile provider. Do I really have to spell it out.

Anyway, actually the real reason (for me) is that I want to be an extension of my PBX whilst roaming. Simple.

Oh, and thanks for the suggestions Cocooningweb - I did try a EQO (I think that was it) that connected skype to BB - but what that did ( and I suspect Webmessenger does) is to get the BB called from the skype account - which is a neat solution (and does work) but it doesn't solve my question of being able to be connected to my pbx (+ the calls are not that cheap as skype calls @ mobile rates to you)

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Old 03-15-2007, 06:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think EDGE has the quality or speed to allow VOIP. EV-DO might.
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I don't think EDGE has the quality or speed to allow VOIP. EV-DO might.

I'm with Optus - I used 3G. I tested as a tethered modem to my PC, I used Xlite and it was perfect quality for VOIP calls - making 2 hops to the 'net...one from BB to my internal office, then made call from PBX out to (actually a US number, from Australia) so the path was long and hard - and it worked great.

So, I believe I've proved that 3G data carriage is high enough to make clear VOIP calls. I just need a software app written for BB to do this. I just wonder why none exists to date, none that I have found (there is an opportunity here for some developer).

I am getting about 250k down, and about 50k up - which is fine for VOIP (and I was using PCM codec which is the highest quality/bandwidth requirement) - if I drop the codec down, I guess you could get away with less upspeed (but quality of call my suffer).
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I don't think EDGE has the quality or speed to allow VOIP. EV-DO might.
I think EV-DO is just enough to maintain a good call over VOIP. I know that EDGE doesn't have the bandwidth or latency to maintain a stable call.
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I am looking at voip client too. Yes do have phone plan but usually it is only domestic. With voip, I can call international phone with dirty cheap price.

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I am more curious than anything. Don't you have a phone plan on your BB? I don't see the point in trying to run a VoIP client on your BB if you have a phone plan.
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As a follow up to this thread - and it may be of interest to others - there is a solution (finally) for a VOIP mobile client - check out Fring.

www fring com

They *don't* yet have a client for BB - but I expect if there is enough demand (from I guess folks here) they would build one. The BB market would be ideal for them - as all BB users have a data plan already.
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I emailed them this morning asking if they were going to build a BB client. Wait and see...
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I emailed them this morning asking if they were going to build a BB client. Wait and see...
Yeah - I tried to become a registered user to put a post on the site (a few posts already exist for BB) - but you can't become a member of the site until you have their software downloaded (and you can't yet, since BB is not a supported device)...bit of a catch-22. Yes, email is a good idea.

I would hope/think they would recognise that the BB market is ripe for them.
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I have proved that the speed from the BB (via 3G) is fine for VOIP carriage. I tested this by running the BB as a tethered modem, and ran a VOIP softphone (Xlite) on my PC
This is exactly the problem though. You're running the VOIP client on a PC.

The speed of rendering webpages on a BB is a bottleneck. Do you really think that a VOIP app would be usable?

It would be great but I can see carriers blocking this as soon as they find out...

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This is exactly the problem though. You're running the VOIP client on a PC.

The speed of rendering webpages on a BB is a bottleneck. Do you really think that a VOIP app would be usable?

It would be great but I can see carriers blocking this as soon as they find out...

Ahh - good question - it's unknown. That is, if the BB has enough processing power? I think yes.

The BB in tethered modem mode does have enough carriage (with my carrier) to make a call possible (that much I proved). And, with the success of fring.com it seems many other phone models out there have the processing power (and carriage) to make this all possible.

I see this only as a matter of time before someone (fring?) makes a client.

Would the carriers stop try to stop this? I'm sure they would like to. However, if they did then someone smart would try to work out a workaround (some form of port forwarding of the standard sip 5060 port?). They may also come up against regulatory issues if they were found out (in some countries) perhaps, being anti-competitive, etc.
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Wait for the new 8320 and 8830 WiFi enabled BBs. They will be out in the coming months.

Once that is available, I pray they can do the same thing as the WiFi 7270 BB.

http://www.avaya.com/master-usa/en-u...vayabb7270.pdf

I just installed my SIP Enablement Server at the office, WLAN is in the works. SIP phone from BB will be very useful at work.
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