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Old 04-10-2007, 10:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Trade Treo 680 For Blackberry 8800? Why or why not?

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I have two more days left on my 30-day exchange grace period from Cingular, and I have been thinking about trading my Treo 680 for a Blackberry 8800. The BB will cost me an additional $70 more...but the BB plan will save me $10 a month compared to my current Cingular PDA Unlimited Data plan.

I like the Treo...and have not had the freezing and instability issues some have. It's just kind of too fat and bulky...and battery life is really poor.

My needs are simple: excellent mobile phone capability with good call-quality and signal-capture, nice loud earpiece speaker volume, a clear & bright screen, fast email (although mine is all personal...not corporate), and good solid build quality (I've heard about the 8800's questionable build quality).

I am not a power business user that fields 1000 emails a day. I am just a guy who likes a cool phone with the benefit of having access to my email wherever I go. I have gotten used to having a smartphone, and although I don't really need all the benefits of having one...I would be bored going back to a "stupidphone".

Can some here be objective and convince me to spend the extra cash and go with the Blackberry 8800...or keep my cash and keep my Treo 680?

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Old 04-11-2007, 09:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd test out both instore too see which meets your call quality requirements since you list it as important.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the 8800's build quality. I find it dubious that people think that they can accurately assess such a thing by holding something in the hand. Unless something falls off or breaks you can't really tell anything.

The latest units sound like they're better though people still report getting squeaks when squeezing the sides. Mine does this and really there's no reason in day-to-day use to squeeze the sides in such a way that produces the squeaking. YMMV. If you're OCD over such things as many people are then you will probably have issues with the squeaking. Really, I suspect that the "build quality" concerns are much the same as what we saw on the initial release of the 8700. Now everyone touts the 8700 as "durable" -- go figure.

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Blackberrys are generally for users who have the need to be able to receive and send email. Blackberry does this very well while providing you with an excellent phone and PDA services.

Blackberry does NOT have the 3rd party programs available that Palm or Windows based products do. It does offer being VERY stable and has the most dependability. You battery will also last a few days but I find it best to charge daily when you sleep.

For anyone who has used a Blackberry for any time, Palm is no longer an option.

Good luck with your choice
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Originally Posted by davistld01
I have two more days left on my 30-day exchange grace period from Cingular, and I have been thinking about trading my Treo 680 for a Blackberry 8800. The BB will cost me an additional $70 more...but the BB plan will save me $10 a month compared to my current Cingular PDA Unlimited Data plan.

I like the Treo...and have not had the freezing and instability issues some have. It's just kind of too fat and bulky...and battery life is really poor.

My needs are simple: excellent mobile phone capability with good call-quality and signal-capture, nice loud earpiece speaker volume, a clear & bright screen, fast email (although mine is all personal...not corporate), and good solid build quality (I've heard about the 8800's questionable build quality).

I am not a power business user that fields 1000 emails a day. I am just a guy who likes a cool phone with the benefit of having access to my email wherever I go. I have gotten used to having a smartphone, and although I don't really need all the benefits of having one...I would be bored going back to a "stupidphone".

Can some here be objective and convince me to spend the extra cash and go with the Blackberry 8800...or keep my cash and keep my Treo 680?

Thanks!!
Have you been happy with your Treo? If oveall yes, why switch? If there are areas you are not happy with, then measure how big of a deal they are to you and see how well the 8800 does in these areas. You say that email is not that big of deal to you.... Well the BB is primarily an email device. They can polish it up, make it play music or video files but at the end of the day, it is an email device. I love my BB and will most likely never use another type of device but I love it for its email capability.

I would not make a decision on a device based on a data plan. They offer promos on those things all the time and as long as your data plan is an add-on, you should be able to take advantage of future offers. My buddy just found out that he was on an old BB data plan paying almost $50 and went into the CW store and they put him on a $30 BB personal plan.

Worst case scenario you can always sell your Treo if you really hate it and buy a BB but before any of this, define what is important to YOU and how does each device handle that.

...heck, I love my 8800 but there is that voice deep down that every once and awhile says 8700....
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If you find the treo fat and bulky, I dont think you're going to be thrilled with the 8800. I have both, well the 750 and the BB is wider and taller, but slimmer. I find using the 750 as a phone is more natural because of its contour and thickness, it feels better in my hand when I hold it to make calls, but being the BB is wider, using it as a pda/email device has a much better feel. Its all personal preference, go to a store and test it out.
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Can you set multiple recurrent alarms on the 8800? Say I wanted to set both a 5:00AM and 6:00AM alarm each morning...can I do that? That is a major downfall of the Treo to me. Without a 3rd party software app, it can't be done.
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Nothing will compare to the plethera of applications that the Palm OS offers. You can customize your phone any way u desire.
I love Agendus on the Palm for contact history, easy scheduling, detailed contact and appointments,etc. It's pretty hard to beat the PIM of Palm.

The Palm 680 has a camera, it handles email very very well. and in my estimation handles it better than the 8800. Once again it comes down to the little details.. like color highlighting, linking to contacts, on screen pen navigation or scroll wheel.

I find the 8800 and the BB OS in general antiquated.
Why oh why can't I schedule an appt from the contact database in my 8800??? seems like it would be an easy enough task... simply have a drop down of "schedule a meeting" in the contact database and pooof if drops a meeting in the calendar with a link to that contact.

Call and contact history is a joke on the BB. For a "business" tool it is fAR off the mark. go ahead.. click your call history and tell me what time your last call was!... you can't... you have to go to messages for some bizare reason and open up there. why bother with a call history if your going to list it in messages??

the trackball is hit or miss the scroll wheel was better.

the phone lights buttons on the 8800 do not light up well enough but that trackball could be used to guide Sanat's Sled!!!!

the build quality of ther 8800 is poor at best. The flimsy plastics, the ill fitting battery door, the creaky chrome plastic sides, all very very poor. I hear the creaking in normal handhold use when applying enough pressure to hold the device and press the volume buttons.. all I hear is creak creak creak... its bad.

What?? I can't edit a Word Doc on a "Business" phone?? what?? Thats is correct.. you cannot edit a Word doc on an 8800 unless you pay out the nose for third party apps and use their servers and ohh.... what a mess that is.

What is good about BB 8800???

well the GPS works well, and the bluetooth is the best I have used with my nokia 800 bt headset, and the battery is great.These are THE ONLY reasons
I use the 8800, it stays in my car, I have great handsfree calling and that's it.

I use my 680 for everything else for fun, pics, email, docs, games, etc. etc etc etc...

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I disagree wish many different point of your biased .02

Call history works fine, show when my last call and all other calls from that number / contact.
I personally like the trackball much better than the wheel but it does take getting used to / as does the keyboard.
The sides of the early 8800's do squeak but i read that the new ones are coming out without that issue.

I guess it boils down to your experience with the OS and if the camera and touchscreen are things you want. (personally i dont)

As for the OS, yeah it needs some updates but I do think the Palm OS looks like something you would see in one of those training PC's for grade school kids.
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I disagree wish many different point of your biased .02

Call history works fine, show when my last call and all other calls from that number / contact.
I personally like the trackball much better than the wheel but it does take getting used to / as does the keyboard.
The sides of the early 8800's do squeak but i read that the new ones are coming out without that issue.

I guess it boils down to your experience with the OS and if the camera and touchscreen are things you want. (personally i dont)

As for the OS, yeah it needs some updates but I do think the Palm OS looks like something you would see in one of those training PC's for grade school kids.
Palm OS is less reliable than WM and that is just downright sad. There is a reason Linux is in the picture now.
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i had the 680, and swapped it out for the 8800. no question in my mind that it was the right move... there have been some good points raised above for the treo, mainly the add-on programs for the palm platform. i use my device heavily for email, calendar, and contacts managed thru my work, but i really think everything is 100x cleaner on the blackberry. no need for soft resets, no delay in the OS from moving around, and i personally like the form factor on the 8800 better than the 680. yeah its a little bigger footprint, but it is so much thinner and fits in my bag and pockets so much better. i also like the keys on the 8800 better, but i didn't until after the first week of getting used to them. i always hit the wrong keys on the 680. the battery life is 1000x better on the 8800. i often don't charge my phone for a couple days, or else if i do it is for 15min here and there. the treo always had to be on the charger for me. and i use my 8800 constantly thru the day, for voice calls, internet access and lots of email checking/sending (from multiple accounts).

for $70 and knowing you'd break even after 7 months on the monthly charges, i think the 8800 is a no-brainer. but just my $0.02 -- they're both great... go to the treo forums and people will be bashing the blackberry -- everyone needs to make up their own mind. either way you'll probably be happy. best of luck with the decision!

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I am going to my Cingular store this afternoon and really taking some time with the 8800. I need to slip my SIM into it, and really see how I like it...make some real calls from my contact list and all to check call quality.

A dealbreaker (in another thread...) might be that by default, I cannot set recurrent alarms with the Blackberry. It requires 3rd party SW to do that. The same goes for my Treo...but it's one of the reasons I have been using my Blackjack w/WM5 lately more and more.

I am wavering as to whether the email benefits of the Blackberry, and the "push" real-time capabilities are necessary for me vs. the slower sync of the Treo. All my email...at least for now, is personal and not corporate. I have been made manager of my department in an automobile dealership as of yesterday...so that might change, but not much. Will I see as much benefit from the 8800 as someone who must have instantaneous email pushed to them from the server for their business needs...probably not.

Really, the form difference is the main factor for me. The Treo is a little fatter, but not as wide as the 8800. I do not like the OEM case that comes with the phone...but I am concerned with the placement of the 8800's trackball fitting in non-specific aftermarket cases. Does anybody have any information or experience with that?

Sorry so detailed and long...but this exchange is my last. I can't go back and swap again if I am dissatisfied with the 8800. I'm pretty much stuck with whatever I choose...and I want to make a quality decision.
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I have an HP 6955 and a BB. (My work does not allow access to the exchange server through anything other than the BES so I cannot use my Windows Mobile device for push email.)
If I did not need drop dead reliable push email for work, I would toss the BB and keep the HP device. While it is true that the BB hardly ever needs re-setting and can go days without charging (whereas I re-set my HP every now and then but need to charge it just about daily) the HP does so much more and I just enjoy using it so much (wifi, GPS, easy web surfing, media streaming, movies, music, etc.) that I am happy to put up with the odd re-set and freeze, because all of that functionality is largely for personal use.
For work email, I have yet to find anything as reliable as the BB.
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I have an HP 6955 and a BB. (My work does not allow access to the exchange server through anything other than the BES so I cannot use my Windows Mobile device for push email.)
If I did not need drop dead reliable push email for work, I would toss the BB and keep the HP device. While it is true that the BB hardly ever needs re-setting and can go days without charging (whereas I re-set my HP every now and then but need to charge it just about daily) the HP does so much more and I just enjoy using it so much (wifi, GPS, easy web surfing, media streaming, movies, music, etc.) that I am happy to put up with the odd re-set and freeze, because all of that functionality is largely for personal use.
For work email, I have yet to find anything as reliable as the BB.
I appreciate the objectivity and honesty from the replies you all have given. I made the decision today after going to Cingular and taking some time to really go through the motions with the 8800 to keep my Treo 680, at least for now. I don't use my device for corporate email, at least at the present, and so I don't need the ability to recieve my email pushed instantly in "real-time" like many business people do...and that's what the Blackberry does better than anything else out there, no doubt.

I also just didn't like the trackball as a scroller, and there were other items on the phone I didn't particularly care for. I feel like, at least for me, the Palm Treo 680 and Palm OS is more customizable, and it has a higher level of functionality in the areas I find important in a device.

So, thanks...as this will probably be my last post around here for awhile...or until the BB-bug bites me again. Take care...
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Palm has the PIM aspect in the bag....but aside from that and maybe a few minor issues, the BB devices are better "all in one" units for phone, email, web.

Yes PIM and contact management needs much work but its getting there with software like Pocket Day which is nice.

I have struggled back and forth with the Treo 680 and BB Pearl. Right now I am using the Pearl with Pocket Day.

Two things I wish:

1. Better PIM
2. Better handling of AOL Imap saved folders (I'm on BIS)

I use to live by Chatter email and Agendus PIM on the Treo.

Trying to forget those and use the Pearl is hard but I am slowly getting use to it.
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