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Old 04-12-2007, 11:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't type with my thumbs on a qwerty keyboard anymore, after all the pearl is my 4th Suretype unit..... besides the lack of a camera and it's size far outweigh the benefits of GPS....
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good points, i like qwerty but dont like the size of the keys. Im getting better with the slide method but am still thinking of returning my 8800. I might cancel my new contract and use my 7290 month to month until i see the price/plan for the iphone. but i understand your point of view, the gps is cool but should not be the best feature.
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Same here! Already went back last week. Feels great to be back with the Pearl. Not sure why i even bought the 8800. Would never have made that decision had i known about the upcoming 8300 release so soon after the 8800 debut. The keyboard for me was the biggest downfall. Never really go use to it, as it just seems to me like it's a step backwards for RIM with regards to function.
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I might cancel my new contract and use my 7290 month to month until i see the price/plan for the iphone.
The iWhat?... Yikes...

Just teasing, after all I like my iPod, PowerBook & MacBookPro.

But I LOVE my BlackBerrys & my ThinkPads!

Good Luck if you decide to become another of Apples BETA testers... and ask yourself this question, how good can an entertainment device be without 3G?

I'm sticking with what works: "Get It Done Right, The First Time" and Enjoy the Time I Saved !

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8800 Keyboard was definately a step backward for RIM.
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The iWhat?... Yikes...

Just teasing, after all I like my iPod, PowerBook & MacBookPro.

But I LOVE my BlackBerrys & my ThinkPads!

Good Luck if you decide to become another of Apples BETA testers... and ask yourself this question, how good can an entertainment device be without 3G?

I'm sticking with what works: "Get It Done Right, The First Time" and Enjoy the Time I Saved !

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I know, but I'm on a powerbook now and have a mini & ipod at home. the problems are not great with the 8800 but I want to atleast give the iwait a try before i get locked into the 8800 for 2 years. I'm a big fan of all their other products so while i'm in the 30 day period i shall get out.

**I think.
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8800 Keyboard was definately a step backward for RIM.
Nothing Ventured... nothing gained. I agree with you that there is room for improvement with the 8800 keyboard. However keyboard preference is such a personal issue that it's hard to please everyone. That said, I believe it's a step in the right direction (regardless of outcome) which provides RIM with valuable feedback from it's users.

I find it a lot nicer (for me) than the 8700c keyboard, and yet the moment the 8300 is released I will be a buyer. I like the separate keys that are shaped the way they are on the 8300 myself. Just like the separate keys on the 7130c which is my favorite out of the four BB's I currently own and use.

I give RIM credit for trying something new, and let's remember that every new model cannot possibly be perfect, even if we would like it that way.

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i use my left thumb and right index, because the keys on the 8100 are a bit small.....
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If you look at a 8700 next to a 8800, you'll notice that the keys on the 8700 are smaller ro allow for the gap. Keyboard is overall the same size.
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The iWhat?... Yikes...

Just teasing, after all I like my iPod, PowerBook & MacBookPro.

But I LOVE my BlackBerrys & my ThinkPads!

Good Luck if you decide to become another of Apples BETA testers... and ask yourself this question, how good can an entertainment device be without 3G?

I'm sticking with what works: "Get It Done Right, The First Time" and Enjoy the Time I Saved !

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The beta testers are the ones using Windows Moble.
Since switching to Apple products (iBook, iMac, iPod, .mac, Shuffle, etc) I have never been happier. I wouldn't use a PC for personal use period.
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8800 Keyboard was definately a step backward for RIM.
I agree with this. I love my 8800 but there is a part of me that is considering selling it and getting an 8700. Heck, I could almost buy TWO 8700s for what 8800s are going for.

Quick question.. Do I have to contact CW to unlock my 8800?
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I know, but I'm on a powerbook now and have a mini & ipod at home. the problems are not great with the 8800 but I want to atleast give the iwait a try before i get locked into the 8800 for 2 years. I'm a big fan of all their other products so while i'm in the 30 day period i shall get out.

**I think.
Your plan sounds like a good one. I like the flexibility of the 30 day return policy, as there is simply no way to know until to try out something new.

Personally, all kidding and critical reviews aside, I hope the iPhone is a success, as the more the merrier in the tech business. Just continues to push development and change, all of which I embrace. However that said, I just feel it's a bit of a stretch to compare the iPhone with anything other than the Prada or Samsung F700. Both of which are targeting the same consumer space as the iPhone. But to compare any of those to a BB or other SmartPhone is irrelative as I see it. Finally Apple is entering into an entirely new arena, it has never partcipated in before. An industry with Giants like Samsung and others that have the cell phone business well in hand. This will indeed be an interesting story to follow. The iPod success is one thing, to even begin to think that Apple can replicate that in the consumer phone space is quite a fantasy. Time will tell.

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I remember people said the same exact thing about the 8700 keyboard when it came out. And now, the 8700 keyboard is preferred.
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good points, i like qwerty but dont like the size of the keys. Im getting better with the slide method but am still thinking of returning my 8800. I might cancel my new contract and use my 7290 month to month until i see the price/plan for the iphone. but i understand your point of view, the gps is cool but should not be the best feature.
How do you think the keyboard (or lack of one) will be on the iPhone?
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How do you think the keyboard (or lack of one) will be on the iPhone?
The lack of any tactile response is going to be weird.
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The lack of any tactile response is going to be weird.
I agree, if people thought that getting used to SureType was tricky or miserable, just try a flat, key less, touch screen. This is the very reason that I think Apple will have quite a challenge ahead. Although it is true that the Apple Faithful will jump through hoops (and I'm simply sharing an observation, not being critical) and pay a heavy premium for a device Apple created. In this particular case the company is entering a field that is fiercely competitive with lots of choices from a large number of competitors, and Apple has no experience in this arena. The iPhone is far more complex than any iPod. And unlike the first generation iPod's the potentially fatal mistake that Apple is making with the first generation of iPhones, is to exclude the 3G experience. After all this device is entertainment first, phone second. If surfing the web is a slow experience, there will be a lot of disappointed kids.

I've been following the Samsung F700, and this phone is very impressive, plus it's already a real, finished product available for sale! No smoke & mirrors here. No excessive marketing hype, just real world performance. Samsung set the bar high and put their money where their mouth is. Hello earth to Steve? Due to it's design and feature set, it qualifies as a true competitor to the iPhone. It has full HSDPA, a slide out full qwerty only keyboard, with an additional separate slide out keypad for the phone! A very slick unit that is compact, elegant, slightly smaller than the iPhone and built by the Giant of all companies in the mobile phone industry. A company founded on hard work, smart planning and speed of implementation.

Then there is the Prada model which is also a viable competitor to the iPhone.

This movie is about to get truly captivating.

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I agree, if people thought that getting used to SureType was tricky or miserable, just try a flat, key less, touch screen. This is the very reason that I think Apple will have quite a challenge ahead. Although it is true that the Apple Faithful will jump through hoops (and I'm simply sharing an observation, not being critical) and pay a heavy premium for a device Apple created. In this particular case the company is entering a field that is fiercely competitive with lots of choices from a large number of competitors, and Apple has no experience in this arena. The iPhone is far more complex than any iPod. And unlike the first generation iPod's the potentially fatal mistake that Apple is making with the first generation of iPhones, is to exclude the 3G experience. After all this device is entertainment first, phone second. If surfing the web is a slow experience, there will be a lot of disappointed kids.

I've been following the Samsung F700, and this phone is very impressive, plus it's already a real, finished product available for sale! No smoke & mirrors here. No excessive marketing hype, just real world performance. Samsung set the bar high and put their money where their mouth is. Hello earth to Steve? Due to it's design and feature set, it qualifies as a true competitor to the iPhone. It has full HSDPA, a slide out full qwerty only keyboard, with an additional separate slide out keypad for the phone! A very slick unit that is compact, elegant, slightly smaller than the iPhone and built by the Giant of all companies in the mobile phone industry. A company founded on hard work, smart planning and speed of implementation.

Then there is the Prada model which is also a viable competitor to the iPhone.

This movie is about to get truly captivating.

Cheers...
Problem with f700 is that 3g isn't US compatible. I miss my pearl as well..my favorite feature is built in gps. I am a much slower typer on my 8800.
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I agree, if people thought that getting used to SureType was tricky or miserable, just try a flat, key less, touch screen. This is the very reason that I think Apple will have quite a challenge ahead. Although it is true that the Apple Faithful will jump through hoops (and I'm simply sharing an observation, not being critical) and pay a heavy premium for a device Apple created. In this particular case the company is entering a field that is fiercely competitive with lots of choices from a large number of competitors, and Apple has no experience in this arena. The iPhone is far more complex than any iPod. And unlike the first generation iPod's the potentially fatal mistake that Apple is making with the first generation of iPhones, is to exclude the 3G experience. After all this device is entertainment first, phone second. If surfing the web is a slow experience, there will be a lot of disappointed kids.

I've been following the Samsung F700, and this phone is very impressive, plus it's already a real, finished product available for sale! No smoke & mirrors here. No excessive marketing hype, just real world performance. Samsung set the bar high and put their money where their mouth is. Hello earth to Steve? Due to it's design and feature set, it qualifies as a true competitor to the iPhone. It has full HSDPA, a slide out full qwerty only keyboard, with an additional separate slide out keypad for the phone! A very slick unit that is compact, elegant, slightly smaller than the iPhone and built by the Giant of all companies in the mobile phone industry. A company founded on hard work, smart planning and speed of implementation.

Then there is the Prada model which is also a viable competitor to the iPhone.

This movie is about to get truly captivating.

Cheers...

I agree, thats why I think its a good move for me to put off buying anything until I can hold some of these and try them out.
-The 8800 keyboard is good but the tight space is tough for me as my thumbs are not the most nimble and i did well with the 7290 but the 8800 has been tough. As for comparing the iphone touch screen keyboard, well its completely different but i dont think space will be an issue, it might be double tapping though, but again I will be waiting to see.
-Also with all the rumors of the 8300, I will be looking for that in the meantime.

-PS I hate waiting though.
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probably yes, but to have them unlock the phone, you have to meet certain requirements...
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IMO the 8800 wasn't meant to be an upgrade to any keyboard. it's meant to fill a gap between the pearls and 8700's. I for one like the size of the pearl and the more phone oriented devices, but also like the ability to have a full keyboard. The 8800 offers both a form factor and slim size with a full keyboard. best of both worlds.

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