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Old 04-16-2007, 03:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I would really like to d/l the new 4.2 OS (mainly because it will work with my TomTom PLUS services to get updated traffic, which is nightmare in Atlanta) but my companies IT dept recommends me not doing it. I have no idea why but it is what it is. They tell me to wait until Cingular releases the software because they will not support the foriegn version. I pay for the service and I paid for the phone but I am on BES so they have control (I assume).

So I call Cingular. Well, you can probably guess what they tell me. "Cingular has no plans to release the 4.2 software for the 8700c....but the new 8800 and 8100's have the 4.2 software".

Why would Cingular release the new 4.2 when they are trying to get people to buy the new phones (8800 and 8100)? My guess is they probably won't release the new software...not any time soon anyway.

Has anyone heard anything about Cingular possibly releasing this software? I looked all over the net and don't see anything on it....only on blackberry.com.

So, I guess I'm screwed.
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I would really like to d/l the new 4.2 OS (mainly because it will work with my TomTom PLUS services to get updated traffic, which is nightmare in Atlanta) but my companies IT dept recommends me not doing it. I have no idea why but it is what it is. They tell me to wait until Cingular releases the software because they will not support the foriegn version. I pay for the service and I paid for the phone but I am on BES so they have control (I assume).

So I call Cingular. Well, you can probably guess what they tell me. "Cingular has no plans to release the 4.2 software for the 8700c....but the new 8800 and 8100's have the 4.2 software".

Why would Cingular release the new 4.2 when they are trying to get people to buy the new phones (8800 and 8100)? My guess is they probably won't release the new software...not any time soon anyway.

Has anyone heard anything about Cingular possibly releasing this software? I looked all over the net and don't see anything on it....only on blackberry.com.

So, I guess I'm screwed.
Sound terrible to me but my guess is Cingular will probably release the new OS soon. They never say anything untill it's out anyway!
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Sound terrible to me but my guess is Cingular will probably release the new OS soon. They never say anything untill it's out anyway!
ahhhh, so there IS hope after all!

This is my first Blackberry and my first OS upgrade so when the Cingular dude tells me they have no plans to release it, I assume they probably won't.

Hopefully they will, I would be one happy camper.
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ahhhh, so there IS hope after all!

This is my first Blackberry and my first OS upgrade so when the Cingular dude tells me they have no plans to release it, I assume they probably won't.

Hopefully they will, I would be one happy camper.
I would not get excited to quickly! It took Cingular over a year to release an updated version from their original release of the 8700c. Take a look at this link and select the 8700c model. v4.1.0.175 was released on 11.21.05 and 4.1.0.529 was released on 12.4.06.

https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads...317fb4f70875TR

Hate to burst your bubble but I want to be optimistic however with Cingular's history I would not get to excited.
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I would not get excited to quickly! It took Cingular over a year to release an updated version from their original release of the 8700c. Take a look at this link and select the 8700c model. v4.1.0.175 was released on 11.21.05 and 4.1.0.529 was released on 12.4.06.

https://www.blackberry.com/Downloads...317fb4f70875TR

Hate to burst your bubble but I want to be optimistic however with Cingular's history I would not get to excited.
I assumed it would probably take a while but was hopeful anyway. :(

I don't think they are going to be in a hurry to release it because it would probably effect their 8800 and 8100 phone sells. Afterall, those that want the 4.2 software now have to buy new phones. If they release an upgrade, many people will probably keep their 8700's (like me) because I could care less about mp3's and stuff like that.

Maybe I can talk my IT dept into letting me install it.
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I had the same issue as you but decided to upgrade anyway. The installation was easy and I didn't even have to have them edit my BES account as my BB automatically activated on my BES. I'm running 4.2 on my 8700c and love it (except for the unlock bug).
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I don't think they are going to be in a hurry to release it because it would probably effect their 8800 and 8100 phone sells.
I guess so -- but 4.2 doesn't add GPS, expandable memory, voice dial or a camera to an 8700... Most of us that can and want to upgrade to 4.2 have already done so anyway. Sorry that you're stuck. I'm guessing that your IT department wants to be able to get support for any devices attached to their BES.

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Your BES admins won't be able to downgrade your device, but they can dis connect you from the BES. As an Admin myself, I don't see any problem with using this 4.2 software. Infact, I have been looking forward to having this so we can setup companies PBX voice mail systems with the blackberry. I'm just not going to support or answer any silly questions about it. Such as.... "When I upgraded, the sound seems to not be as loud". The software has been approved by RIM and I'll take RIM's word over Cingular or Verizon's any day.
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And you will get SUPPORT from RIM. Maybe not from your carrier, but wtf can they do other than ask you security questions to verify your account.
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Just install it. Your IT dept isn't going to know or care. Activation will work the same way.
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Where can the new OS be found for Cingular users (8700)? I have a buddy using an 8700 and he would love to put 4.2 on it.
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"I don't fear terrorists, I fear General Population."

You don't fear terrorist because you're not face to face with them on the battlefields of Iraq.
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Where can the new OS be found for Cingular users (8700)? I have a buddy using an 8700 and he would love to put 4.2 on it.
Please check above sticky for the new OS
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Where can the new OS be found for Cingular users (8700)? I have a buddy using an 8700 and he would love to put 4.2 on it.
Ummmm check the big stickie at the top of the forum.
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"I don't fear terrorists, I fear General Population."

You don't fear terrorist because you're not face to face with them on the battlefields of Iraq.
It is a joke and I recognize my Blackjack fanatic.
While terrorists are dangerous and present a threat to our soliers overseas, General Population is far more dangerous, annoying and time-consuming for me personally.

Your post may be a perfect example.
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I had the same issue as you but decided to upgrade anyway. The installation was easy and I didn't even have to have them edit my BES account as my BB automatically activated on my BES. I'm running 4.2 on my 8700c and love it (except for the unlock bug).
Now I know I should have upgraded and then told them other than ask them and now stuggle with the decision because they don't want me to. It's very frusterating.

I have never done an OS upgrade (they basically do everything with my laptop connected to the network and my BB connected to my laptop via USB).

I assume all I need to do is d/l the new DM and then d/l the OS upgrade. Then follow the instuctions listed on the upgrade thread. It sounds very easy and I just wish the IT dept saw it the same way.


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Your BES admins won't be able to downgrade your device, but they can dis connect you from the BES. As an Admin myself, I don't see any problem with using this 4.2 software. Infact, I have been looking forward to having this so we can setup companies PBX voice mail systems with the blackberry. I'm just not going to support or answer any silly questions about it. Such as.... "When I upgraded, the sound seems to not be as loud". The software has been approved by RIM and I'll take RIM's word over Cingular or Verizon's any day.
I saw where some say that the reason they may not want me to do it was because it could mess with the BES permissions and so forth. Is that not correct?
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