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Old 04-27-2005, 10:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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About to go out tomorrow and I hear great things about both - major worries on the 7100g:

Seems cheaply made - a little too light compared to 7290
I bet I will get used to Suretype, but I hear that most shortcuts do not work
IS the screen much smaller than others?
All of the voice quality comments I have read.

Any users out there that have used both or have had other experiences, please share and THANKS
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It's not cheaply made - of course you can probably smash any BB if you want to. We've had no problems with 7100t quality and we've had them since September 30th.

7100: smaller form factor. Brighter, more vibrant screen, speakerphone. It's designed as a phone. If you are voice dominant (as opposed to e-mail dominant) this is the phone for you. Cons: screen washes out in bright daylight. Suretype takes some getting used to. Shortcuts form home screen do not work - it's designed as a phone first. BB second.

7290: Screen does not wash out in daylight. No speakerphone. "Classic" BB keyboard. Dual stage backlighting.

If you are mostly getting this for the phone, consider the 7100. If you are getting this for data/e-mail, get a 7290.
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I have been a Blackberry user for years, and a 7290 user for the last 6 months or so. I just switched to the 7100g from Cingular and it is awesome.

Phone quality is great, screen is excellent and the typing is fine. I adjusted to the suretype in a day or two. Its nice to have a device that resembles a phone so I don't feel like I'm talking to a calculator.

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Hmmm..thanks Scotty. You're a great person to ask since you have had both. Any benefots come to mind for the 7290 over the 7100g? And - does the 7100g quality seem as good?

People keep saying if I am going to use it for more data/email, go with the 7290 - not sure how much is a lot, but I do get about 1000+ emails/month and check them frequesntly on the road, respond and check. So I would say I need the phone (of course) but also email often too. If I give up my reg cell phone for this, I will need it for sure though too.

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FYI - I also had both. I had a 7100t from October - February, and switch to a 7290. I was getting tired of retyping words (Suretype is good, but not perfect), and could not get over the screen washing out in daylight. 1000 emails per month is 35 / day (30 day month) or 45 / month for a 22 day "work month". That is not heavy by my standards. How many minutes are you on the phone? Do you need a speakerphone (which I freely admit I miss since it is not on the 7290).
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Thanks NJBlackberry - appreciate the help here ;)

Well - I would say I am on the phone about 1100 minutes a month on average. Your points for moving are valid and I would say I am probably similiar in frustration with re-typing words - I use predictive typing on my phone now if I get a text message and it is slow... The wash out in day-time I have read a lot about - so when you are outside, you literally cannot see it well at all? That's not good. And not the case with the 7290?

So I guess my email usage isn't too heavy - I just know I feel like I use it all the time on the road.
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I get horrible reception and bad static on the 7100 with OS 4.0 installed.

I tried a 7230. Much better reception and voice but the screen was horrible.

How do reception and voice compare between the 7100 and 7290?
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Not sure which 7100 you had or which carrier, but voice reception was not a problem for me on my 7100t.
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I just got a 7100g from Cingular 3 days ago, and for what it's worth, I have considered returning it because of the voice quality. (My Nextel i90 has better voice quality.)

Now, consider the fact that I am currently using two phones and compairing the differences between the two in terms of call audio. Even people I have called have told me that my audio is muffled or that it sounds like I'm talking through plastic.

I spoke to my father on the 7100g right after I got it. He said that it sounded like there was water running in the background. (The air conditioner was on high and when I turned it down, the audio got better and the watery sound reduced.) I frequently use my phone in high noise environments so this may present a problem for me.

Honestly, I'll have to say I'm a little dissapointed in the call quality. I was looking forward to using the Blackberry, and I don't want the larger models.

In my opinion the 7100g feels cheap. I hope I don't ever drop it. The battery door is loose and has some side to side play. The speaker phone audio sounds tinny and has poor quality. Now, these are just my observations and again I am compairing it to a the phone I currently use.

Oh, by the way, for a compact keyboard, I am impressed with the Sure Type. I composed a 50 word email to my brother yesterday and it worked perfectly. My brother also has a 7100t from his company and he said the sure type is great. (This is after using a larger Blackberry for a couple of years and composing hundreds of emails in it.

Hope this helps some.

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I have a 7100 that I've had a little over a month. I have no experience with previous BBs. I was concerned somewhat about using SureType and it did take a couple of days to feel comfortable. I, too, was getting frustrated re-typing words until I recognized when to move it into Multi-tap mode. What also helps is a spell checker. I don't get anywhere near the emalis that some of you have mentioned, but I do have to monitor and reply to more emails than I do phone calls and still really like the 7100.

The screen washing out in sunlight could be a mjaor issue for someone who is outdoors a lot. Just moving it out of direct sunlight, shading it, for example with your body, does make it rat least eadable even if it is not the greatest.
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In my opinion the 7100g feels cheap. I hope I don't ever drop it. The battery door is loose and has some side to side play.
We had two of our users go to and buy 7100g's from Cingular last week. Both of them came back with "factory sealed" boxes, but both 7100gs had scratches on the blue finishing and both battery doors were loose. Wonder if Cingular is sending out refurb'ed 7100gs?

I haven't see a loose battery door on any of our 7100ts, though. We have 9 of those.

No user complaints about sound quality from any of our 7100t or 7100g folks. One complimented his 7100t for NOT picking up every background sound. He does a lot of calls from the airport and he liked that the 7100t wouldn't pick up the beep-beep-beep of the tram that runs people up and down the concourse. <shrug> :D
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That "blue finishing" is plastic that is used to protect the metal. It peels off, both on the front and the back of th device.

Yes, the battery cover feels a little loose. I cut a business card to fit (battery size) and just placed it over the battery. Solved the problem. Another solution is to put a little piece of scotch tape along the seem at the top. All 7100's seem to exhibit this loose back cover.
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LOL - thanks!

They did a great job w/ that "blue finishing". Everyone here (me included) thought it WAS the finishing. :D
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I had no idea that the "blue finish" was just a covering until reading this. I'm glad I found out, I can see myself getting angry at "paint flecks" later on.
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7100g Notes
- Better keyboard than 7100t
- If you prefer to type one-handed, SureType is easier than QWERTY
- Very bright screen, best indoor BlackBerry screen. Higher resolution in a small area.
- For outdoor use, BlackBerry screen is much worse than other BlackBerry models
- May feel somewhat cheap in comparision to other BlackBerry models
- More compact
- Better phone
- Has voice ringtone support (ADPCM ringtones supported), if you want fancy ringtones

7290 notes
- Full QWERTY keyboard, faster to type on but you must use both hands.
- Bigger screen but lower resolution
- Excellent visibility both indoors AND outdoors.
- Bright screen, not as colorful as 7100 but MUCH better than the 7230.
- Longer battery life
- More ruggedized.
- Screen is always on, can display data nonstop (backlight OFF) for
- Recommended if you plan to do lots of email and data (includes chat, etc)
- If you intend to do long emails on BlackBerry, it is usually more pleasant to do long emails on the 7290.
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I have had both and returned the 7290 after two weeks. It was just too bulky clipped to my waist and even fell off a couple times. When the phone rang, it was also next to impossible to take the phone out of the holster without hanging up on the call. I suppose the holster would loosen over time, but it was irritating. The thing I miss from the 7290 is the screen. Great in daylight and has a matte finish. I have had my 7100g for a month and made the mistake of putting it in my pocket with a pen already there. Bad move and I now have visible scratches. I think I'm going to try a buffing wheel to smooth them out. I get about 100 emails a day and the suretype was easy to pick up. I think if you type a word twice and it remembers. Overall, I'm glad I made the switch, even with the screen.
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I've had the 7100g BES for approximately 3 weeks, here are my thoughts, some have been previously mentioned:

1) Small form factor, which I enjoy, don't like a brick next to my ear, also has a very good speakephone, positive.

2) Unable to read screen in sunlight, negative.

3) Experienced the dreaded drop call issue, when upgraded to the newest firmware, negative. However, when I went back to my previous firmware now everything is beautiful. positive.

4) Bluetooth is a beautiful costly extra, which I enjoy (Jabra BT800). I look like a cyborg, so I usually limit wearing it, except in the car when driving, or in a isolated location, such as my office. I am still on a learning curve with this BT device, takes some getting use to, but overall it is an enjoyable toy.

Since coming from the Treo 600, this is a much better audio device and not as heavy, even though it lacks the extras (i.e. camera, MP3 player, SD slot), but at least I can enter government facilities.

Holster leaves something to be desired, when running it has a tendency to come out of it's enclosure (almost lost mine twice). Needless to say, I ordered the leather case, with the sleep function, via e-bay, very nice.

The battery sliding issue, (thanks for the fix btw), which makes it seem not well constructed, negative.

Overall, I enjoy the 7100g thusfar, however although I receive over 50 e-mails a day, I don't have to respond to that many. If I had to respond to numerous e-mails I would probably use the 7290.

Just my humble thoughts. Your cell phone mileage may vary.

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I had a 7230, switched to the 7100t and have not been the happiest. Call quality is much worse but I do love the bluetooth. Plus, the washed out screen, IMO, is totally unacceptable. Come on RIM, early ipaqs had this issue and hp fixed it... that was how many years ago? I will be switching to the 7290.
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