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I have never owned a Blackberry and I am looking to get one for work and personal purposes. I now have Verizon phone service and love the phone coverage in my area but Cingular is also good here. I do a great deal of talking on the phone daily....approx. 2-3 hours daily. I receive about 30 emails a day and I send out about 15-20 emails a day.

My question is two part:
1. Which service do you recommen Verizon/Cingular/TMobile
2. Which model would suit be best 7250 or 7100?

I realize if I go with the 7100 I would also half to switch carriers. Of course the salespeople at VZW tell me the 7250 is much superior and the salespeople at TMobile and Cingular tell me it's a personal preference.

ANY ADVICE?????????????????
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I have a VZW BB 7250 and have had Verizon wireless voice service for several years. The VZW BB data network is a subset of the voice network, so don't expect the BB to get data coverage in all of the places you get voice coverage.

I believe it is the same regardless of the carrier...

having said that, I still like VZW service with the BB. But check it out and make sure you ask about the trial plan for either carrier, that way you can return it if you don't like the BB or the coverage.
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If you're on somewhat of a budget, Tmobile offers a good data plan for 29.99 a month for unlimited. Can't beat that.
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You can always just keep the voice service on the device you have and just put a data plan on the BB with Verizon. Try it out and you always have the 15 Day guarantee I have the 7250 with Verizon and it rocks
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FWIW, here is my story.
I am a long time verizon customer. I ruined my LG phone & decided it was time to try a BB. So I forwarded my number to cingular for a month while I tried the 7100g. I just returned it at the end of my 30 day trial. I was not happy with several things. For some reason I had a ton of voice service issues, dropped calls and disconnects. Sometimes it would take 3 or 4 tries to get connected to a number. Customer Service couldn't fix it.
I also had quite a bit of trouble with delivery & receipt of SMS messages, particular to verizon phones, something I never had problems with on verizon. Data seemed to be OK, never had any issues.

The 7100g is a nice form factor, but the screen is very tough to see outside in bright light. Even after 30 days of use, I never could get used to the keyboard, even though I am a hard core T9 user on a normal phone keyboard. I couldn't really fall in love with during my 30 days.

The concept of a BB for email, outlook syncing & internet hooked me though, so I went right over to verizon and bought a 7250. Even after only 10 days, I LOVE IT! The qwerty keyboard is very nice. The 7250 is incredibly fast compared to the 7100. The device is very well built & already it has proved indespensible. I hooked it up to BES exchange hosting by Link2exchange. Now I understand why they call these things Crackberries!

My two business partners are now on trial with the 7290 from Cingular which is the exact match to my 7250. I'll know in a few weeks if any of the serivce issues are still there with cingular on this device.

Please understand YMMV and good luck on whatever you pick!
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Interesting Rudyo - I am in the EXACT situation - longtime Verizon customer that switched to Cingular to use the 7100g. I am about a week into my trial and so far have had only a few call drop issues, but see weirdness with SMS from other companies (just comes up with their phone numbber, no message) and I always just feel like the BB is going to break with everyday use. I actually think the keyboard is pretty accurate, but my major gripe with it is that I have several hundred peopel in my address book for work and when I need someone with letter N for example, I have to type the letter, all R show up, I have to delete and press again and then N comes. This is a pain, esepcially when in a hurry for a number.

I just can't decide if moving to the 7250 will be a good enough phone - I know it will be a terrific and probably better data device, but I wonder how it will be for dialing an actual phone - I have read numerous posts saying that the only natural way to use it as a phone is to have numbers stored and use a headset all the time. Plus, you need to press the trackwheel to dia - is there no shortcut for that? Any feedback?
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First you should decide which carrier you need - I would not let the device make that decision for you.

Verizon has a very robust domestic network - but if you need to travel outside of North America that network is worthless. The 7250 is by far the best BlackBerry Verizon has sold.

If you need to go outside of North America, you have to select which GSM carrier is best for you. I've been a T-Mobile customer for years and an loyal to them. Others prefer Cingular. Personal choice. In the US GSM markets, the voice and data networks are identical (I respectfully disagree with geekman686 on this one).

Once you select the proper carrier, you need to select the device. I had a 7100t. Never was totally comfortable with the keyboard, and the screen, as mentioned, completely washes out in sunlight. So I switched to a 7290.
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have you guys not consider 7290 for cingular if 7100g doesnt work out good?
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If you're on somewhat of a budget, Tmobile offers a good data plan for 29.99 a month for unlimited. Can't beat that.
Everyone seems to be talking about "data plans". Interesting. I have Sprint Vision and I've begun to price all the carriers versus what I have now. No comparison - I will have to increase my spend to get what I have on VZW, TMO and CNG. Sprint Vision includes unlimited data, data useage does not draw from minutes, and you can receive calls while you're browsing.

The downsides?

Sprint has been slow to adopt Bb devices. They have the 7750, but that's it. Rumored to be delivering the 7250 in May/June, and of course they'll have the 7520 after the Nextel merger is completed in July (is that good?). Another downside is what other posters have mentioned - for International travel you really should use GSM. If you don't have to travel internationally, the SPCS CDMA network is FAST. I'm getting >200kbps 90% of the time.

Good luck with your decision. The 7250/7290 sounds like the phone to have - I'm anxious for it just like you are.
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Thanks for all the great advice. After doing some further checking it looks as though I can't stay with VZW for BB service. I travel with work in parts of NW AR and in parts of North MS and neither of which are in the data service area for VZW per their customer service dept.

So it looks like it's TMobile vs. Cingular?
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I actually think the keyboard is pretty accurate, but my major gripe with it is that I have several hundred peopel in my address book for work and when I need someone with letter N for example, I have to type the letter, all R show up, I have to delete and press again and then N comes. This is a pain, esepcially when in a hurry for a number.
IMO, searching the address book on just one letter is crazy. I've never seen an addressbook (even with hundreds of entries) that couldn't quickly narrow down to the person being searched for .. if you type 2-3 characters of the persons name.

I.E. if you're looking for "NORTON, type "NOR".

If you have a 7100 model, you don't need to worry about correcting "NOR" if it shows up as "BOE" (since the B/N, O/P and E/R letters all share the same key).
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Thanks for all the great advice. After doing some further checking it looks as though I can't stay with VZW for BB service. I travel with work in parts of NW AR and in parts of North MS and neither of which are in the data service area for VZW per their customer service dept.

So it looks like it's TMobile vs. Cingular?
FWIW, Cingular's map shows more coverage in AR and MS than T-Mobile. T-Mobile has the interstates/bigger cities covered, whereas Cingular looks like that've got that plus everything in-between.

If you haven't already seen this, check out:
http://compass.t-mobile.com
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If you use the data often, you want to stay away from CDMA devices. CDMA transmits data and voice on the same network. When you're using data, your phone is making a call much like using dial-up on your home phone line.

GSM devices use GPRS for data (a seperate network), so it's more like having DSL on your home phone line. So if you are browsing the web, a phone call will interupt your web session and allow you to take the call. On a CDMA device, that call will go to voicemail.

To try to fix this problem, some CDMA devices constantly connect and disconnect their data sessions. When I had Verizon, I found this to be rather annoying. If you are browsing the web and you do not load a new page for about 20 seconds, it disconnects the data connection. So then when you press the next link on your page, it has to reconnect which takes 10-15 seconds before it can start loading the new page. This makes web browsing very slow.

Likewise, if a phone call happens to come in during the few seconds every hour that your phone is downloading email, that call will go straight to voicemail as well. Your phone will not ring.

And if you plan on using an Instant Messaging program, forget it. All the constant connecting and disconnecting will run your battery down in a matter of several hours.

For these reasons, I would stay away from CDMA for now. If at some point they enable EVDO on blackberrys, then perhaps the fast data speed will be enough to make up for this annoyance. But currently, GSM/GPRS is much better for data devices.
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Everyone seems to be talking about "data plans". Interesting. I have Sprint Vision and I've begun to price all the carriers versus what I have now. No comparison - I will have to increase my spend to get what I have on VZW, TMO and CNG. Sprint Vision includes unlimited data, data useage does not draw from minutes, and you can receive calls while you're browsing
I did some checking up on Sprint PCS, and it's 50 bucks for 20 MB of data. Plus, once again, it doesn't work in my area. As far as price goes, I'll pass...

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So it looks like it's TMobile vs. Cingular?
Cingular, talking, Tmobile, data.

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Not true on the last two posts. I'm on SPCS which is CDMA - and I most certainly DO get calls when using data. Happened two times today alone. I don't know if the network shares or not, but if so I think that's good - better data coverage.

As for the SPCS plans, I don't know what data plan you're talking about. The do sell PCMCIA cards for data with a plan, but you don't need that for your phone. I have Vision Free and Clear America - 2500 minutes shared between three phones, unlimited data (and I've used my phone for a modem when traveling), and I get calls while browsing - all for $120/mo.

Cell plans are a very personal decision, so it really depends on how that plan will work for you. Maybe I'm lucky to have found the right plan for me. Now I just need my carrier to release the 7250.
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