I bought a " NEW " 8700c as my main device from Premier to add to my already stellar 8700c lineup and I kidd you not : ITS REFURBISHED ! I know this is just me speculating but it just " feels " different then my old 8700c felt when I first bought it and it responds slower. It also has a different battery type and instead of coming from Canada it comes from Mexico. Now i've been and like Mexico but something isn't right with this 8700c. It definitely " feels " like a refurb ... i mean , i did get it cheap ( $ 65.00 ) but it was suppose to be a new unit .... not the devices labled as " refurbs " .