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Old 07-02-2007, 10:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So the Wife and I updated her phone to the Q, Its a very nice phone I had a blast playing with the features seemed to run and operate just as good as my BB. Anybody else have a Q also?
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Q's are cool, but you'll need the extended battery if you want to work through a whole day.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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My Q says "World Edition" on it, is that some special edition? ;)
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I had a Q for a year and recently gave up on it and am trying out the BB 8830.

Reasons I gave up on the Q:
1) Lack of stability. Too often, when I needed to make a call, it would require a reboot before I could do so (and this is without running too much 3rd party software).

2) Lack of battery life. Even when it was stable, the battery life would disappear quickly. I took it on a trip solely for the purpose of using the address book to look up numbers (with bluetooth and phone off), and it didn't make it past the 2nd day (having only used it for a few minutes total).

3) Slowness. The main app I used, besides the phone, is the calendar, and to open the calendar and scroll to some week in the future took unacceptably long.

I liked the 3rd party apps I had (google maps, weather), and was perfectly happy with Verizon's wireless synch, my POP email account, and it's tethering capability with PDANet, but the above issues killed it for me.

After having the Q for a few days of fairly heavy usage, here are my pros and cons:

*Battery: Very disappointed so far. Didn't last out a single day of moderate usage, and now has 65% remaining after only a few hours on standby...

*Stability: Great - haven't had to reboot yet!

*Speed: Once you're in an app, it's good, but takes longer to find apps (only one shortcut key, and otherwise have to scroll through icons...)

In some ways the 8830 is smarter (context sensitive menu, typing shortcuts, etc.), but in other ways I've found it frustratingly dumb:
--The call log doesn't show the number the person called from, and you can't easily open/edit the corresponding address book entry

--When looking up numbers, you have to wait a bit before they show up after typing in the name

--When entering a name or number to call, it frequently misses the first letter

--No keyboard shortcuts to open applications

--No one key method to put in vibrate mode or to lock the keyboard from wherever you are.

--The vibrate mode is too weak

--The volume on my bluetooth headset is much lower than it was on my Q

--As noted frequently by others, the GPS functionality is crippled by Verizon

--Apparently, it's difficult to transfer docs to the BB to read them other than via email...

Overall, I prefer the 8830 to the Q, as I decided the Q is unusable, but I'm still not sold on the 8830. I'm hoping that there's a significant firmware update or a better option becomes available before my 30-day eval period is up...

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Old 07-03-2007, 01:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Wirelessly posted (Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.0.8462/20; U; en))

Bottom line: I have had the 8830 for 1 month and have not had to return it. Case closed.
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I had a Q for a year and recently gave up on it and am trying out the BB 8830.

Reasons I gave up on the Q:
1) Lack of stability. Too often, when I needed to make a call, it would require a reboot before I could do so (and this is without running too much 3rd party software).

2) Lack of battery life. Even when it was stable, the battery life would disappear quickly. I took it on a trip solely for the purpose of using the address book to look up numbers (with bluetooth and phone off), and it didn't make it past the 2nd day (having only used it for a few minutes total).

3) Slowness. The main app I used, besides the phone, is the calendar, and to open the calendar and scroll to some week in the future took unacceptably long.

I liked the 3rd party apps I had (google maps, weather), and was perfectly happy with Verizon's wireless synch, my POP email account, and it's tethering capability with PDANet, but the above issues killed it for me.

After having the Q for a few days of fairly heavy usage, here are my pros and cons:

*Battery: Very disappointed so far. Didn't last out a single day of moderate usage, and now has 65% remaining after only a few hours on standby...

*Stability: Great - haven't had to reboot yet!

*Speed: Once you're in an app, it's good, but takes longer to find apps (only one shortcut key, and otherwise have to scroll through icons...)

In some ways the 8830 is smarter (context sensitive menu, typing shortcuts, etc.), but in other ways I've found it frustratingly dumb:
--The call log doesn't show the number the person called from, and you can't easily open/edit the corresponding address book entry

--When looking up numbers, you have to wait a bit before they show up after typing in the name

--When entering a name or number to call, it frequently misses the first letter

--No keyboard shortcuts to open applications

--No one key method to put in vibrate mode or to lock the keyboard from wherever you are.

--The vibrate mode is too weak

--The volume on my bluetooth headset is much lower than it was on my Q

--As noted frequently by others, the GPS functionality is crippled by Verizon

--Apparently, it's difficult to transfer docs to the BB to read them other than via email...

Overall, I prefer the 8830 to the Q, as I decided the Q is unusable, but I'm still not sold on the 8830. I'm hoping that there's a significant firmware update or a better option becomes available before my 30-day eval period is up...

Dave.
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Much agreed. The shortcuts are NICE, and the only difference with having it set up this way is that you have to press the phone key before you can dial a number (enable the numerical keypad).

I just learned about Alt + "N-M-L-L" to change your bar-meter to signal dBm meter

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Alt + Shift + "H" to get some basic stats on the "Help Me!" menu.

I hear you on the firmware update. I love this phone, but come on. I expected a tighter initial firmware package than it has proven thus far. But I'm 90% with the 8830. So I should just shut up.

My co-worker has a Q and she loathes it. She shows me her "New Every Two" graph every week or so...
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Just tried the ALT-N-M-L-L command. Cool. Now, how do I change it back?
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Old 07-03-2007, 01:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just type the sequence again!

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Old 07-06-2007, 10:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Saw someone else had the Q. I had this phone for about a year or so and liked it, but battery life was short. I now have the BB8830 and am looking for some cool apps. Any suggestions?

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Hopefully a firmware or software update to increase ringer volume and/or vibrate would be useful....maybe one day...LOL.
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Quote:
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--The call log doesn't show the number the person called from, and you can't easily open/edit the corresponding address book entry
Should see the number by highlighting the entry and select View History. Also View Contact.

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--When looking up numbers, you have to wait a bit before they show up after typing in the name
Quicker doing it from AddressBook if you are dialing a Contact.

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--When entering a name or number to call, it frequently misses the first letter
If first letter is one of the keypad letter press ALT then the key. Otherwise it thinks you are dialing a number until you press a non-keypad key.

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--No keyboard shortcuts to open applications
Need to turn off Dial From Home Screen in Phone options.

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--No one key method to put in vibrate mode or to lock the keyboard from wherever you are.
If turn off Dial From Home Screen in Phone options the K key locks it. Or assign the convenience key to Lock.
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