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Old 05-25-2005, 03:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Currently I am using a palm handheld for most pda functions as well as checking email over a bluetooth phone. The 7290 and 7100 look interesting and I have a few questions to decide which one is right and if I will have all of my current functionality if I move to a blackberry. As far as the main differences between the two being the keyboard and speakerphone I am fine with either as I am used to T9 on my phone for text messages. I've searched through the forums and still have these questions. If some of these functions are not built-in are there applications that will give me these capabilities?

1) Do blackberries have...?
timed profiles
voice dialing
voice commands to access certain functions/apps
voice recorder
GPRS data counter?
call timer
calling card option
auto redial
other languages - non english char set
cell info display?
application categories?

2) Can I use redirector with pop/imap?

3) How fast is the wap browser speed? HTML browser? As fast as using the blackberry as a modem for my laptop or just 14400?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help.

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Old 05-25-2005, 03:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Just so you know, these comparisons have been made before, and most of this info you could probably get from a 7100/7290 white paper or by searching... but as far as the two devices go, they are nearly similar in functionality. It's your preference for the form factor though.

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Currently I am using a palm handheld for most pda functions as well as checking email over a bluetooth phone. The 7290 and 7100 look interesting and I have a few questions to decide which one is right and if I will have all of my current functionality if I move to a blackberry. As far as the main differences between the two being the keyboard and speakerphone I am fine with either as I am used to T9 on my phone for text messages. I've searched through the forums and still have these questions. If some of these functions are not built-in are there applications that will give me these capabilities?

1) Do blackberries have...?
timed profiles
voice dialing
voice commands to access certain functions/apps
voice recorder
GPRS data counter?
call timer
calling card option
auto redial
other languages - non english char set
cell info display?
application categories?

2) Can I use redirector with pop/imap?

3) How fast is the wap browser speed? HTML browser? As fast as using the blackberry as a modem for my laptop or just 14400?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help.
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Old 05-25-2005, 03:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Bfrye...Must EVERY post have something written from you about hows it been mentioned before??? Enough!!!

Get a new hobby.
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Bfrye...Must EVERY post have something written from you about hows it been mentioned before??? Enough!!!

Get a new hobby.
I'll bet in less time than I could have responded to that post I could find at least 5 polls on this site comparing the 7100 with 72xx.

Secondly almost every question he asked could be gotten from a 7100/7290 tech sheet OR by searching the site. It would take someone else half an hour to sit down, research those questions and write out the answer to them... which is why I said he might want to take a look at a white paper for each device (easily downloadable from RIM), or search.

Lastly I answered the question, "7100 or 7290". It's personal preference as both devices are basically the same in functionality (wow is there an echo in here?)...

So the next time you decide to try to flame someone, read more than the first few words of the post and maybe try to keep on the topic as hand. There's already a discussion on this in the off topic forum you're welcome to join if you like...
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I've read the whitepaper several times, what I was asking was if there are any other differences aside from those mentioned in the whitepaper comparison matrix.

What I would like is some input into the loss/gain of functionality from my current setup. The points I have noted are features I currently have with my Palm and would like to continue to use them if the BB offers them.
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Hey Bfrye...

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I can recommend somebody if you would like.
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I've read the whitepaper several times, what I was asking was if there are any other differences aside from those mentioned in the whitepaper comparison matrix.

What I would like is some input into the loss/gain of functionality from my current setup. The points I have noted are features I currently have with my Palm and would like to continue to use them if the BB offers them.
While I'm not up to speed on all the BB apps out there, there's a decent list of them started in one of the stickies in the aftermarket forum. That might give ya some insight.

BB have no voice capabilities as of yet though. I think call timers are included though.

If you want, try downloading the blackberry SDK from RIM and playing with the simulator. Some of the things like call timers and minutes usage are included, but done on a per-call basis. Playing with the simulator might let you know if you could get used to them or not.

For Q2) redirector no... BWC yes.

Q3) about dialup speed yet.

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timed profiles
No

voice dialing
No, but depending on carrier, you can get third party remote voice dialing through Cingular.

voice commands to access certain functions/apps
No - but you can use keypress shortcuts to launch apps. (Just turn off Dial From Home Screen in Phone Options)

voice recorder
No - although you can use remote recording services. Some people like to use Dictomail. You dial a phone number, speak your message, and a text transcript of your message arrives in email. Pretty cool service. (See "voice to text transcription services" in my BlackBerry FAQ)

GPRS data counter?
No - not necessary on Verizon/TMobile truly unlimited plan (or on Cingular with BES/MDS hosting)

call timer
Yes. The call log.

calling card option
I think so, you'd assign a speed dial to a calling card.

auto redial
I don't think so - But you can redial a phone number in just one step.

other languages - non english char set
Yes, you can read emails in most languages (even Chinese, if you download the Hong Kong firmware)

cell info display?
Yes

application categories?
On the 7100, but this is not too terribly important on the BlackBerry itself, you can reorder the icons so the important icons show up on the first screenful, and the scrollwheel allows fast selection of icons.

can I use redirector with pop/imap?
Not sure. I use forwarding rather than Redirector.

How fast is the wap browser speed? HTML browser? As fast as using the blackberry as a modem for my laptop or just 14400?
WAP browser is very fast. HTML browser is more like 14400. But it's always-on, 24/7 like having wireless version of a slow cable/DSL connection in your pocket. No need to connect before getting emails, etc.

Personally, I'm partial to the 7290 rather than the 7100.
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If you currently have a tone of third party apps and databases on your Palm then the move might be a bit un-settling... If your looking for a rock solid secure OS with email a decent phone and PIM then the BB might be the fit. If you do allot of email on a daily basis you might prefer the traditional keyboard of the 7290 over the SureType technology of the 7100.
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I've read the whitepaper several times, what I was asking was if there are any other differences aside from those mentioned in the whitepaper comparison matrix.

What I would like is some input into the loss/gain of functionality from my current setup. The points I have noted are features I currently have with my Palm and would like to continue to use them if the BB offers them.
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Hey Bfrye...

SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!

I can recommend somebody if you would like.
Careful. bfrye is a moderator here. We all have our own moderating techniques. Personal attacks are not allowed. If he frustrates you, just ignore the thread.

However, as a moderator, I guess I'm too nice to even tell people to search.... as long as poeple don't send me private messages asking me questions (I just politely tell everyone to post their questions publicly)
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Hey Bfrye...

SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP!!!

I can recommend somebody if you would like.
Well sorry if I don't meet up to your standards for a moderator qluck... I'm more of the kind of person that will point someone in the right direction with a hint of which way to go rather than feeding someone with a spoon the answer. Should you want to continue this argument please feel free to take it to private messaging as it is not very polite to ruin someone else's question with your ongoing rant about this search debate.

As I said before... feel free to bring this up in OT. If you have trouble finding it, try searching for the topic search. It should be on the first page of results...
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Mark, thank you for your informative response. I added a few qeustions within your quoted reply.

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timed profiles
No

voice dialing
No, but depending on carrier, you can get third party remote voice dialing through Cingular.

voice commands to access certain functions/apps
No - but you can use keypress shortcuts to launch apps. (Just turn off Dial From Home Screen in Phone Options)

voice recorder
No - although you can use remote recording services. Some people like to use Dictomail. You dial a phone number, speak your message, and a text transcript of your message arrives in email. Pretty cool service. (See "voice to text transcription services" in my BlackBerry FAQ)

--->I would want to record in order to save the recorded meeting/lecture/call. Any third party apps for this? (I realise I would be limited to 32mb which is not a lot but enough for a few hours vs. palm which I use an SD card.)

GPRS data counter?
No - not necessary on Verizon/TMobile truly unlimited plan (or on Cingular with BES/MDS hosting)

call timer
Yes. The call log.

calling card option
I think so, you'd assign a speed dial to a calling card.

--->I meant like on a nokia where it still shows the number you are really calling and not the calling card number.

auto redial
I don't think so - But you can redial a phone number in just one step.

other languages - non english char set
Yes, you can read emails in most languages (even Chinese, if you download the Hong Kong firmware)

--->What about Russian/Hebrew/Arabic etc?
Is there a way to use Roger's latest handheld software but use the chinese language pack from the CSL firmware if required (for example)?

cell info display?
Yes

--->So for example, the BB will display the different area codes in London, UK when I move around?

application categories?
On the 7100, but this is not too terribly important on the BlackBerry itself, you can reorder the icons so the important icons show up on the first screenful, and the scrollwheel allows fast selection of icons.

can I use redirector with pop/imap?
Not sure. I use forwarding rather than Redirector.

--->This would be important for me, does anyone have an answer? Will redirector sync sent messages also, or just received?

How fast is the wap browser speed? HTML browser? As fast as using the blackberry as a modem for my laptop or just 14400?
WAP browser is very fast. HTML browser is more like 14400. But it's always-on, 24/7 like having wireless version of a slow cable/DSL connection in your pocket. No need to connect before getting emails, etc.

--->Why build a crippled phone that when used as a serial modem it works at 43.2 but the browser only at 14.4, wap doesn't need much more than 14.4 but HTML could use the extra speed. This is why I use my palm's browser instead of my phone's, for the same money in GPRS access I get more speed even if I use the WAP browser instead of the HTML.

Personally, I'm partial to the 7290 rather than the 7100.
I understand that, but I am used to text messaging with T9 predictive text on my phone so the 7100 wouldn't be much of a learning curve.
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the T9 and 7100 typing really isn't that similar though.
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Mark, could you try to answer my point within your response when you get a chance? They start with --->. Thanks.
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Quote:
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the T9 and 7100 typing really isn't that similar though.
They strike me as pretty similar, sort of a cross of T9 and iTap from motorola.
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The 7100 and 7290 comparison has been done over and over but this thread left out the screen difference. The 7100 has a sharper screen but it's very difficult to read in daylight. The 7290 has a two stage backlight and I've never had a problem reading it. It's blinding on the high setting at night.

Every cell provider has a trial period of 14 days or more, so I say go for one and give it a shot. If you don't like it, try the other.
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dyzs,

I started off with a 7100T. Nice device. I actually returned it for a 7230 and then was finally able to get a 7290 when TMO finally let them loose.

Here was my deciding factor:

The 7100T is a good phone with messaging and email functionality. The 7290 is a great messaging and email device with a phone.

I already use a VZW V710 as a phone. My 7290 is used for messaging, AIM, Email and PIM functionality. That is specifically what I purchased a BB for.

That being said, if I just wanted one device for all my needs and I was a little lighter on the email requirements, the 7100T would have been the choice.

Both are great devices with Bluetooth and good memory and screens. My advice is to go to a local dealer and play with both.

My 2 pesos.

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I'm sure you saw this through your searching, but the 7100 only has 9 speed dials while the 7290 has 26.

That has been really the only complaint my customers that switched from the 7280's to the 7100's have had. That and the keyboard.
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dyzs,

I started off with a 7100T. Nice device. I actually returned it for a 7230 and then was finally able to get a 7290 when TMO finally let them loose.

Here was my deciding factor:

The 7100T is a good phone with messaging and email functionality. The 7290 is a great messaging and email device with a phone.

I already use a VZW V710 as a phone. My 7290 is used for messaging, AIM, Email and PIM functionality. That is specifically what I purchased a BB for.

That being said, if I just wanted one device for all my needs and I was a little lighter on the email requirements, the 7100T would have been the choice.

Both are great devices with Bluetooth and good memory and screens. My advice is to go to a local dealer and play with both.

My 2 pesos.

Chip
Thanks for your input. Other that the method of inputting the emails (keyboard) how does the 7100 handle email any lesser than the 7290?

For now I am more concerned with using the device for email, however I can't see myself using the 7290 as a phone ever, too uncomfortable and I don't want to be on a headset all day. I would like something with a smaller form-factor and to be as light as possible. I realise that this would mean sacrificing durability as the 7290 is by far more durable than the 7100. I suppose down the road if I were to use the 7100 as a phone also, then the speakerphone would come in handy.

A few more pesos of advice please...
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