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Old 09-23-2007, 09:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello All BB experts !

I need your help in deciding which direction to go.

I'm on verizon network, and currently evaluating the Treo 700p. I have the unlimited data plan with that device. I'm finding some shortcoming with the device and just didn't (and still don't) know enough about the power of a Blackberry device so, as typical for most, I chose to go with the 700p Treo. Now, I want to research further as I have 30 days to decide what is right for me.

Questions:

1) It is my understanding that the blackberry data plans are different from the smart phone ? (My company supports a 'smartphone' only and its dataplan). The verizon rep is telling me that I would have to switch to the blackberry data plan. I get a discount on the PDA/Smart phone data plan, however don't get it on the special blackberry data plan. So, do I have to have the special plan ? I'm wondering if the sales guy is giving me a 'line' and selling me something I may not need.

2) I know blackberry's strenghts are with the 'push mail' and always on..but what if I don't really have a need for that, then what ? Can't I use the blackberry for web browsing, and get to my yahoo mail through www.yahoo.com etc. My employer also allows a POP email access, an SSL setting, can't I use the email app within blackberry for that. It doesn't have to be always on. If I want to see if I have new email, I don't have an issue by clicking something similar to 'send and receive' on the MSOutlook to get the latest email.

In a nutshell, the device will mainly be used for calendar, appointments, to do t task lists, open attachments (word, PDF, excel etc), alarms for reminders..and of course, web surfing and two (maybe more) POP3 type accounts.

Will a Blackberry do all this for me ? Oh, lastly, do I have to have a connection to the blackberry server, even if I don't need it or have a use for the 'push mail' . I'm sure not everyone uses the 'verizon's blackberry services'. What are my other choices ?

Apologies for the random questions, I just don't know where to start with this.

Look forward to get the details.

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1. If you have a BB you have to have the BB dataplan for Internet and email.

2. All email on the BB is "PUSH". No other method. As far as I know, you can't open Word and Excel files to edit on the BB. You can set up most POP3 and IMAP via your carrier's BIS site (up to 10 separate accounts) and the mail is automatically pushed.

You need an add on program to do that - eOffice and it costs between $120 and $200 depending on the version.

I suggest you read the FAQ and that should give you some good info. That should also explain BIS and BES.
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Hello All BB experts !

I need your help in deciding which direction to go.

I'm on verizon network, and currently evaluating the Treo 700p. I have the unlimited data plan with that device. I'm finding some shortcoming with the device and just didn't (and still don't) know enough about the power of a Blackberry device so, as typical for most, I chose to go with the 700p Treo. Now, I want to research further as I have 30 days to decide what is right for me.

Questions:

1) It is my understanding that the blackberry data plans are different from the smart phone ? (My company supports a 'smartphone' only and its dataplan). The verizon rep is telling me that I would have to switch to the blackberry data plan. I get a discount on the PDA/Smart phone data plan, however don't get it on the special blackberry data plan. So, do I have to have the special plan ? I'm wondering if the sales guy is giving me a 'line' and selling me something I may not need. He is telling you the truth you cant have a BB with out a bb data plan on verizon

2) I know blackberry's strenghts are with the 'push mail' and always on..but what if I don't really have a need for that, then what ? Can't I use the blackberry for web browsing, and get to my yahoo mail through Yahoo! etc. My employer also allows a POP email access, an SSL setting, can't I use the email app within blackberry for that. It doesn't have to be always on. If I want to see if I have new email, I don't have an issue by clicking something similar to 'send and receive' on the MSOutlook to get the latest email.The mail is going to come automatic cant turn it on and off

In a nutshell, the device will mainly be used for calendar, appointments, to do t task lists, open attachments (word, PDF, excel etc), alarms for reminders..and of course, web surfing and two (maybe more) POP3 type accounts.

Will a Blackberry do all this for me ? Oh, lastly, do I have to have a connection to the blackberry server, even if I don't need it or have a use for the 'push mail' . I'm sure not everyone uses the 'verizon's blackberry services'. What are my other choices ?There are two different kinds of access there is BIS wich is the standard blackberry account and then there is BES with is a more indepth OTA sync. The black berry will do all you need and way much more than the pearl I am sure you will like it.

Apologies for the random questions, I just don't know where to start with this.

Look forward to get the details.

Regards,
GadgetZilla
A quick search of the BBq Facts and all these questions would be answered better than I have.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hello All BB experts !

In a nutshell, the device will mainly be used for calendar, appointments, to do t task lists, open attachments (word, PDF, excel etc), alarms for reminders..and of course, web surfing and two (maybe more) POP3 type accounts.

Regards,
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Based on these requirements I would say you may not be satisfied with the current Blackberry solution. The PIM side of a Blackberry is not as robust as Agendus, Agenda Fusion, Pocket Informant or other PIM applications from the Palm or PPC world. Also, there is no BB equivalent to some of the excellent mind-mapping/ task solutions for those platforms and working with native files just can't match Docs to Go.

I would also recommend you look at something with Windows Mobile on it.

**My opinion based on use of Multiple platforms (RIM, Palm, and PPC)**
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One further question:

Does it have to be Verizon?

Given your requirements you may be happier with a separate PDA/phone combination and use BT to connect to the phone. Yes they still make PDAs and HP just rolled out some new ones and the now somewhat aged Palm TX is still around.

Trouble is, unless you are a good hacker, Verizon locks their phones up against using your phone as a BT modem.

AT&T(Cingular) and T-Mobile are not as draconian from that perspective.

Just some more food for thought.
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Based on these requirements I would say you may not be satisfied with the current Blackberry solution. The PIM side of a Blackberry is not as robust as Agendus, Agenda Fusion, Pocket Informant or other PIM applications from the Palm or PPC world. Also, there is no BB equivalent to some of the excellent mind-mapping/ task solutions for those platforms and working with native files just can't match Docs to Go.

I would also recommend you look at something with Windows Mobile on it.

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I dis agree with you whole heartedly the devices you mention are all wack with resets and crashes. Granted there maybe alot of better apps for the treo but you cant beat the thing staright out of the box in performance and durability. I once went 6 months with out one rest show me one treo or windows device that can claim that.
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I dis agree with you whole heartedly the devices you mention are all wack with resets and crashes. Granted there maybe alot of better apps for the treo but you cant beat the thing staright out of the box in performance and durability. I once went 6 months with out one rest show me one treo or windows device that can claim that.
The person didn't ask about resets or performance and durability. The poster asked for advice based on PIM, Tasks, To Dos, Office document creation and editing, etc. I have no desire for this to turn into some sort of flame thread. Let's be honest for those type of apps the Palm and PPC apps are superior.

Was just giving advice on the question asked not my personal biases... and you'll notice I said you 'may'... It depends on their personal usage and preferences... For all I know it was a post just trying to bait a flame war, which I don't do.

By the way unstable apps can make a BB crash on a regular basis as well. My 7580 crashed multiple times a day until I finally figured out it was the fact that the weather and stock look-ups on pocket day couldn't handle popping in and out of T-Mobile coverage well.

My 8703e has been pretty rock solid. But then again my Sony UX-50 coupled with my Moto and Bluetooth was equally rock solid.
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The person didn't ask about resets or performance and durability. The poster asked for advice based on PIM, Tasks, To Dos, Office document creation and editing, etc. I have no desire for this to turn into some sort of flame thread. Let's be honest for those type of apps the Palm and PPC apps are superior.

Was just giving advice on the question asked not my personal biases... and you'll notice I said you 'may'... It depends on their personal usage and preferences... For all I know it was a post just trying to bait a flame war, which I don't do.

By the way unstable apps can make a BB crash on a regular basis as well. My 7580 crashed multiple times a day until I finally figured out it was the fact that the weather and stock look-ups on pocket day couldn't handle popping in and out of T-Mobile coverage well.

My 8703e has been pretty rock solid. But then again my Sony UX-50 coupled with my Moto and Bluetooth was equally rock solid.
and you will notice i said straight out of the box,I know apps are what makes the OS crash.
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One correction:
It was not pocket day, but bb today. I remembered that last night. A great app, it just didn't work in my particular case
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I would think it should be ok to mention a significant issue that the poster didn't think about. The fact is, the Palm and PPC platforms are known to be far more unstable that Bb. If that's not a concern, then fine. For most it's not much of a concern until your crashing three times a day. Then it's time to turn to an industrial strength device (like my 8703e).
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The person didn't ask about resets or performance and durability. The poster asked for advice based on PIM, Tasks, To Dos, Office document creation and editing, etc. I have no desire for this to turn into some sort of flame thread.
GadgetZilla asked about the Palm Treo 700p, and I would be remiss to allow my experiences to go unspoken. If it turns into a "flame war," as you put it, so be it--but these are my experiences, and my advice is based off of them.

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By the way unstable apps can make a BB crash on a regular basis as well. My 7580 crashed multiple times a day until I finally figured out it was the fact that the weather and stock look-ups on pocket day couldn't handle popping in and out of T-Mobile coverage well.
I'll certainly agree that any badly written app can crash any platform. But with the 700p, the device is so badly flawed that the simple act of using a Bluteooth headset--even one that is specifically on the "supported device" list--will cause the unit to crash at least once a day. Again, I know this from personal experience.

My advice? RUN, DON'T WALK from the Treo 700p. The device is fatally flawed.

I, too, had a Treo 700p for about a year, and all during that year, the unit gave me nothing but trouble--even after two replacements. I've owned all the Verizon Treos from the 600 onward and each "upgrade" watched them get steadily worse. I can honestly say that I've never had a worse handset in my life than the Palm treo 700p (although my Treo 650 came pretty darn close).

I was sick to death of having my Treo crash so badly every day that I had to pull the battery to reset it. And it wasn't software that crashed it, either--my "compatible" Bluetooth headset couldn't maintain a connection, and the repeated connects and disconnects would hose the unit. Incoming phone calls would crash the unit once in a while, too. I would expect that from a badly-written app, but not from a base 700p with no 3rd-party apps on it (except VersaMail--and it shipped with that).

Ultimately, I abandoned the platform because of these issues, and because Palm had promised--repeatedly--to release a Maintenance Release, in the form of a downloadable, customer-installable firmware update, that supposedly addressed all the problems of the 700p. When it finally arrived--six months late--it was an unparalleled disaster; it "bricked" thousands and thousands of Treos when Sprint adopted it early. Verizon chose to wait, but even a "fixed" MR "bricked" hundreds of Verizon Treos before it was ultimately yanked from Palm's site within a week. (Don't just take my word for it--go to The Official Palm Blog: Treo 700 Series Software Updates from the Verizon MR release and The Official Palm Blog: June 2007 from the Sprint MR release and read some comments.)

I own a BlackBerry 8830 today--after browbeating Verizon over three days into exchanging my Treo--and I am as happy as a cop in a doughnut factory. Fleeing the Palm Treo 700p for the 8830 felt like leaving a terrible, abusive relationship for your soulmate.

The 8830 just works. It works.

Bluetooth is flawless. I've paired it with my Plantronics Voyager 655 and it works beautifully. Intellisync over Bluetooth is a thing of beauty. Tethered Internet, while not the unbelievable blazing speed of USB-wired tethered Internet, is fast enough for most surfing endeavors. Of course, over USB, it's hard to tell the difference from Broadband.

And the best part? In the three months I've had it, I haven't had to hard-reset it once. Not once.

Ditch the Palm. Get an 8830. You will be sooooooooooooooooo happy you did.

Cheers!

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Ever notice that Gadgetzilla only has one post? Hmmm...
Ever notice that Gadgetzilla specifically picked Palm/PPC strengths as the must haves? Hmmm...
Ever notice that Gadgetzilla picked the BBs strengths as 'nice to have, but not necessary'? Hmm...
Ever notice that Gadgetzilla also picked the much maligned 700p as the only alternative? Hmmm...

Can you say flame bait?

Hook, Line and Sinker

I chimed in with some opinions based soley on the fact that there was a small possibility that there was a person looking for help and held my nose while hitting submit. You'll also notice I didn't say get a 700p. I said you may want to look at something with winmob or even a separate PDA if the requirements were as stated.

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Jimn367 - Not everyone has bad intentions or has malicious thoughts. You read WAY too much between the lines.

When I signed on, yes, it was my first post as I was a new user, looking for help. I read over the replies, they were very helpful. Flawed or not, my company chose a corporate plan and purchased 700p. It was a done deal, as I found out later and had no choice in switching over. Moving forward and asking additional questions became pointless.back then. I'm sure this information posted is of some use to someone else who is facing similar situation.

nonetheless, I appreciate all the feedback I got, including yours.

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