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Old 11-13-2007, 10:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am with the Telus network up here in Canada...and my internal GPS is working. It was able to find my location....and as was driving the icon was moving along on the map. I have not subscribed to the Telnav offered by Telus.....i am not sure why it is working..but it is.
i see two possiblities......1) the internal GPS is in fact working
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2) maybe Telus is givng us the Telnav for free as a promotion. i am not aware of this..
does anyone else on the Telus network have any more insight.

OR maybe when i get my bill next month...i will be hit with a huge charge.

IS there any way to check if the internal GPS is in fact working...that it is a stand alone GPS and that i am not being charged data fees?

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Did you click on the TeleNav icon on your device? Most devices come preloaded with an application called BBMaps. That application is free to use (no monthly subscription) but the data will be charged according to your data plan. All mapping programs use data from the network to download the maps.

If you clicked a preloaded TeleNav icon on your device then you are likely in promotion period after which you will be charged $9.95 per month for the use of TeleNav. TeleNav is a monthly fee app AND uses data from the network.
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No , i dont have a Telnav icon on my phone. To be honest with you, if you go to the TelusMobility web page, they dont offer Telnav for the PEarl 8130....it is offered for the Blackberry 8830 only? In fact, on the feature page for teh PEarl 8130, they state that there is a "built in GPS and BB maps".

The fact that they dont offer Telnav for the PEarl may mean that the builtin GPS is working?

I assume that means i am not being charged anything for the GPS?
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No, you're not being charged extra for GPS but you will be using data. If you're on an unlimited data plan it's no problem but if not, you'll need to beware.
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Why am i being charged for data.

I assume the signal is coming straight from the satellite to my gps receiver in my phone. Why the data charge....i am confused?
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The GPS info is free but the map data is not. GPS signal is different than the map data.
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Isnt the Blackberry map data already saved on my Pearl.

A friend of mine has a HP smartphone with an internal GPS...he installed a map (i think tom tom)...and he is able to get signals from his phone...no data charge.

If i install a Tom tom map...would i still be charged data fees?

(i apologize for sounding ignorant...but i really not too familiar with this)

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No. The Map data doesn't work that way on the Blackberry. ALL map data comes off the wireless network. The GPS receiver is simply a receiver that pulls info off the GPS satelites to give a latitude and longitude and then superimpose your location on the map. GPS signal comes from the satelite and map data comes off the wireless network. When you're using the BBMap application watch your data arrows in the right corner. It uses your data.

You can't install a Tom Tom map. There are no map data services for storage on the BB. The BB doesn't have enough memory. Hopefully, at some point, they'll have a map data service that can be stored on your SD card but until then it comes off the network.

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That sucks.

To a novice like me...when the feature specifically states that it comes with Blackberry Maps...well then i assume that the entire map is already downloaded on my BB. And the GPS would simply get my latitude and longitude position and apply it to the map that is alread downloaded on my BB. This is kind of misleading.

Can we not just download the map on the phone (such as tom tom) so that the map is already in my BB.?
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Nope. ALL map data MUST come from the wireless network. No way around it.
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thanks for your help John Clark.

It is also misleading when you go on the BB site and it says download the map..in fact you are not really downloading the map?
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You are downloading the map. You're downloading it from your wireless network. Blackberry has historically had very little memory so there was not room for much storage on the device. Most applications for the BB have to to store heavy amounts of data on a server and retrieve them wirelessly when needed. Only in the last year has the BB had removable storage cards but the applications haven't caught up. Also, placing the maps on the card would cut out big income for the celluar carriers that make you pay per kb, so not sure when this will ever change.
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I could understand downloading the map one time. But, once the map is on the BB...there should no longer be any data charges. I have the pearl 8130, which has an external Micro card..i can easily save the map there.
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I just got an 8130 from Bell. The "Map" icon is a software that is built into the phone with no movement - it is manual with zoom in/out and scroll around capabilities.
There is another icon "Download GPS Nav" which means you are in real-time and paying for the service. Bell charges $10/month or something like $7 for single usage. I'm not sure if Telus is charging. Just simply call your service provider. They should answer this farily quickly.
I know Telus uses a technology from a third party called "track-em" (you can google this). This is more for business use though - so you can track your fleet of cars and hook it up to a central system. This system is no longer exclusive to Telus as the person who had the rights to the Nav system, sold his Telus shares/stores and became an independant so he could open up to other phone companies including the U.S. - smart!

I have a question now, to anyone that might knnow, is there any hardware out there that I can link to my 8130 so as not to pay for live GPS of which is reliable and fairly accurate?
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There are a lot of BT GPS units available that you can use w/your phone...from key chain size to a little larger. I'm using a Sony unit my wife brought home from work...a little larger than I'd like, not quite keychain sized.

If you poke around in here you should see links/references to options.

One that is pretty small is the Freedom Mini GPS puck

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I have a question now, to anyone that might knnow, is there any hardware out there that I can link to my 8130 so as not to pay for live GPS of which is reliable and fairly accurate?
No. This is not possible. BB cannot have internally stored map data. However, you do not need to sign up for GPS Nav either to use your internal GPS. BB Maps that come preloaded with the phone use GPS so you can use that, or you can download using your phone the 8830 version of GMM from here http://www.google.com/gmm/apps/v1.6....30_v4_2_L1.jad

Only 88xx series GMM will work with the internal GPS. I think Google engineers still did not clue in that the 8130 series Pearl has an internal GPS. By the way, anyone have the JAD link for 8830 but version 2.0.1?

Last tip I can give you is that once you have viewed certain map data, that data will be cached. Do not delete that cache, and you do not need to retrieve the map data again. I mapped all of Vancouver with about 300K cached data.

Oh and if you did not figure it out yet, I am with Bell as well.
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