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07-12-2007, 09:55 PM
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For the maps program i got the gps to work by going to blackberry's site and rolling back the maps program to an older version then i could use the internal gps. But some of the function with the ball instead of the wheel cause script errors.
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Yeah, not! I rolled back the version as well and while the rolled back version allows you to choose the internal GPS and you can go to the menu and pick to "Start GPS" it just sits there looking for satallites and never finds any.
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07-13-2007, 10:35 PM
I am considering changing providers within the next few weeks (before my 30 day ends) I have been a loyal VZW customer for 4.5 years and it seems like any phone I buy I get screwed by verizon. I spend on average $180+ a month for my service and also have 3 other phones for my business. I have also switched several of my friends to VZW. If move providers I will be taking my business accounts, and entire family with me. Please end this BS with disabling phone features. You get my money from minuites and service, why do you feel you need to rape me whenever you(VZW) can? There are far too many other venders out there for you to assume that I will just stick with you(VZW.) Every phone I have owned seems to have been part of a class action lawsuit. My V710 (motorola), My Samsung I730, and now upcoming lawsuit with my Blackberry. You would think you guys would just go out of your way to provide fully functional phones to keep us happy! You lose customers every day, why not try to keep one for once?? I hope VZW is watching this! I will be happy to share my account details if you think I am bluffing. 3 accounts plus this, two of which are fully loaded and average $180 a month, and I spend upwards of $800 a month in cell phone usage... Give me my GPS back that RIM intentionally placed in my phoen to use with their programs!!
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07-14-2007, 08:05 PM
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I am considering changing providers within the next few weeks (before my 30 day ends) I have been a loyal VZW customer for 4.5 years and it seems like any phone I buy I get screwed by verizon. I spend on average $180+ a month for my service and also have 3 other phones for my business. I have also switched several of my friends to VZW. If move providers I will be taking my business accounts, and entire family with me. Please end this BS with disabling phone features. You get my money from minuites and service, why do you feel you need to rape me whenever you(VZW) can? There are far too many other venders out there for you to assume that I will just stick with you(VZW.) Every phone I have owned seems to have been part of a class action lawsuit. My V710 (motorola), My Samsung I730, and now upcoming lawsuit with my Blackberry. You would think you guys would just go out of your way to provide fully functional phones to keep us happy! You lose customers every day, why not try to keep one for once?? I hope VZW is watching this! I will be happy to share my account details if you think I am bluffing. 3 accounts plus this, two of which are fully loaded and average $180 a month, and I spend upwards of $800 a month in cell phone usage... Give me my GPS back that RIM intentionally placed in my phoen to use with their programs!!
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I have been with VZW for over a year and have the 8830 with NO GPS, but have this feeling that I am getting F___D in cost and service. |
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07-14-2007, 09:50 PM
You could go to Sprint and get F__D in customer service. Seriously, I just spoke with someone the other day and was complaining about my GPS not working. They laughed and said they'd gladly swap phones with me if I could get their billing/customer service problems solved. I guess the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
Honestly, first hand experience I'd say T-Mobile is the best when it comes to customer service because every time I call them they are on the ball. Only sucky part... yep, their network coverage sucks. Bummo.
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07-15-2007, 09:41 PM
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I have the AT&T 8800. AT&T doesn't allow the Blackberry maps to be installed on the 8800 (their effort to increa$e profit) as they want users to subscribe to telenav (sic). [Their is a way to get them in spite of AT&T's efforts!]
The GPS works fine on the 8800
Google and Yahoo both offer mobile mapping software for the 8800. The mapping software from both offer traffic conditions (in major urban areas) and the navigation interface of both are worth what you pay for them (nothing).
I have a Garmin Nuvi 660 GPS, and the traffic data doesn't offer very good coverage (poor signal strength of the traffic receiver). The traffic subscription from Garmin is $60. per year.
I use the Yahoo and Google traffic (Google has more geographic traffic coverage in my area than Yahoo) and they both work great.
VZW appears to have forced RIM to disable the GPS. Reviewing this forum, it does appear that they are paying for this decision (returned 8830s) and that is as it should be.
People (and corporations) make choices. Choices have consequences.
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This is not true... AT&T does not block the install of BBMaps. It's not pre-loaded in the OS. I have BBMaps and Google Maps installed and the GPS works perfectly with both. Verizon is forcing their customers to use their proprietry VZNavigator which is why they have blocked 3rd party apps from accessing the GPS receiver.
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07-15-2007, 10:14 PM
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I am considering changing providers within the next few weeks (before my 30 day ends) I have been a loyal VZW customer for 4.5 years and it seems like any phone I buy I get screwed by verizon. I spend on average $180+ a month for my service and also have 3 other phones for my business. I have also switched several of my friends to VZW. If move providers I will be taking my business accounts, and entire family with me. Please end this BS with disabling phone features. You get my money from minuites and service, why do you feel you need to rape me whenever you(VZW) can? There are far too many other venders out there for you to assume that I will just stick with you(VZW.) Every phone I have owned seems to have been part of a class action lawsuit. My V710 (motorola), My Samsung I730, and now upcoming lawsuit with my Blackberry. You would think you guys would just go out of your way to provide fully functional phones to keep us happy! You lose customers every day, why not try to keep one for once?? I hope VZW is watching this! I will be happy to share my account details if you think I am bluffing. 3 accounts plus this, two of which are fully loaded and average $180 a month, and I spend upwards of $800 a month in cell phone usage... Give me my GPS back that RIM intentionally placed in my phoen to use with their programs!!
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I have left VZW several times and always come back. Yes, they charge more and have fewer features at times. But they have the best network and good customer service. And they charge for it. They will probably charge for VZ navigator down the road. If you want call quality stick with VZW in my opinion. |
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07-17-2007, 03:52 PM
 Just curious: are there any IT / Chief Tech officers for major companies that read these posts? I work for a major insurer with thousands of VZN phones on a corporate plan, and I'm going to appeal to our corporate CTO to contact VZN and complain about the crippled BB8830 GPS. It IS a function that was advertised, it exists, and it uses a taxpayer-funded public-domain satellite platform, not the cell towers. It's just plain highway robbery for VZN to charge extra per month for something to which VZN adds no value.
I think Microsoft has a corporate VZN account (Bill Gates' picture is on one of VZN's marketing brochures). I'm sure there are other major corporate accounts. Maybe if enough corporate contacts start to complain to VZN, they will respond. Surely the individual complainers don't outnumber the ignorant masses who gladly pony up the $10/mo for VZNavigator. Maybe, at a minimum, more corporate accounts can negotiate inclusion of VZNavigator in their corporate plan at reduced cost.
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07-17-2007, 04:02 PM
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are there any IT / Chief Tech officers for major companies that read these posts?
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I know of at least one.
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It IS a function that was advertised
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No, it's not. The 8830 was not advertised as having GPS navigation capabilities.
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It's just plain highway robbery for VZN to charge extra per month for something to which VZN adds no value.
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They don't charge anything for GPS, since it's not available on the 8830 yet.
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Maybe if enough corporate contacts start to complain to VZN, they will respond.
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Complain about what? You're not being denied anything that you've paid for. You're not being misled. You're not being scammed. You're not being "baited and switched". You have no basis for your complaint.
Overall, I think you're misunderstanding the issue here.
People are unhappy that they have a device with a GPS receiver in it that is disabled. Those that bought the device with the impression that it was active simply didn't do their homework.
If you disagree with VZW's decision to cripple the GPS... then voice your displeasure by switching to another carrier.
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07-17-2007, 04:03 PM
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Just curious: are there any IT / Chief Tech officers for major companies that read these posts? I work for a major insurer with thousands of VZN phones on a corporate plan, and I'm going to appeal to our corporate CTO to contact VZN and complain about the crippled BB8830 GPS. It IS a function that was advertised, it exists, and it uses a taxpayer-funded public-domain satellite platform, not the cell towers. It's just plain highway robbery for VZN to charge extra per month for something to which VZN adds no value.
I think Microsoft has a corporate VZN account (Bill Gates' picture is on one of VZN's marketing brochures). I'm sure there are other major corporate accounts. Maybe if enough corporate contacts start to complain to VZN, they will respond. Surely the individual complainers don't outnumber the ignorant masses who gladly pony up the $10/mo for VZNavigator. Maybe, at a minimum, more corporate accounts can negotiate inclusion of VZNavigator in their corporate plan at reduced cost.
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here we go again with the email campaign. |
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07-17-2007, 04:05 PM
No one should "negotiate" for anything at a lower cost. I want my GPS to work the way RIM designed it. Stop stripping the phones and there won't be any issues. BTW, Verizon also disables MMS capabilities on this phone as well.
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07-17-2007, 04:08 PM
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Overall, I think you're misunderstanding the issue here.
People are unhappy that they have a device with a GPS receiver in it that is disabled. Those that bought the device with the impression that it was active simply didn't do their homework.
If you disagree with VZW's decision to cripple the GPS... then voice your displeasure by switching to another carrier.
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If you do a #HELP* on the phone and hit SEND you will see a screen with a lot of info on it. GPS blatently states it's enabled. It appears that Verizon went in and rather then disabled it may have changed the APIs so that 3rd party apps (even RIM's BBMaps) won't interface with it. That is BLATANT crippling of the device. Same goes for MMS and I'm sure the list will get longer and longer. |
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07-17-2007, 04:20 PM
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)
Verizon is very open about the fact that the device doesn't have gps. If a customer doesn't like that then the customer shouldn't buy it.
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07-17-2007, 04:26 PM
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)
Verizon is very open about the fact that the device doesn't have gps. If a customer doesn't like that then the customer shouldn't buy it.
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Doesn't look like they are very clear to me, check out this post
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07-17-2007, 04:34 PM
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I know of at least one.
No, it's not. The 8830 was not advertised as having GPS navigation capabilities.
Yes, in fact they discuss the GPS feature in their user's guide. I got a copy of one from their website prior to receiving the 8830 from our corporate IT department. It clearly discusses the GPS functionality. As does the RIM website. RIM and VZN have a contractual arrangement whereby all RIM's sold for VZN have the GPS feature disabled / crippled / call-it-what-you-will.
They don't charge anything for GPS, since it's not available on the 8830 yet.
Here's the advertisement I reference - BlackBerry® 8800 Series Smartphone | GPS & BlackBerry Maps | Multi-Media & Expandable Memory | Voice Dialing & TrackBall.
BTW, the 8800 series includes the 8830. Yes, they do disclaimer at the bottom to "check with your provider for supported services..." but that doesn't change the fact that the 8830 has GPS receiver hardware built into the phone. Period. It's the RIM / VZN agreement that results in the phones going to VZN customers, including corporate customers, with the GPS hardware disabled by means of firmware or software.
Complain about what? You're not being denied anything that you've paid for. You're not being misled. You're not being scammed. You're not being "baited and switched". You have no basis for your complaint.
I disagree based on the above.
Overall, I think you're misunderstanding the issue here.
People are unhappy that they have a device with a GPS receiver in it that is disabled. Those that bought the device with the impression that it was active simply didn't do their homework.
If you disagree with VZW's decision to cripple the GPS... then voice your displeasure by switching to another carrier. |
THAT is exactly what I'm suggesting - that the various corporate accounts voice their displeasure. Not by email (as another responder suggested) but by having the purchase manager responsible for a corporate account (like Microsoft) pick up the phone and talk directly to their vendor (VZN) and find out why they are selling crippled phones.
Basically, if VZN can leverage RIM to disable the GPS receivers in the phones, then what's stopping them from disabling the MP3 / video players next? Maybe they'll "let" you have them back for a modest $10/month subscription fee, which includes some VZN priorietary software and an iTunes-esq download service. |
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07-17-2007, 04:39 PM
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)
Verizon is very open about the fact that the device doesn't have gps. If a customer doesn't like that then the customer shouldn't buy it.
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The device HAS GPS, Verizon disabled it as a "native" capability. Device crippling should be against the law. The argument here is not that the phone does or does not have GPS. The argument here is that VZW is crippling a device that we bought. That device was not "made" by VZW, but by RIM which included all these capabilities in it. By crippling these features (for the monetery gain only) VZW is selling a device under "false pretences" and a device which they have manipulated to fit their needs. GPS in the phone (since it's autonomous) does not fall under the same coverage as "service" or "service dependant features", so they have no argument as they would with something like MMS or SMS or anything else that depends 100% upon VZW's cellular network to work. You get it now Mr. Lawyer? |
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07-17-2007, 04:45 PM
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The device HAS GPS, Verizon disabled it as a "native" capability. Device crippling should be against the law. The argument here is not that the phone does or does not have GPS. The argument here is that VZW is crippling a device that we bought. That device was not "made" by VZW, but by RIM which included all these capabilities in it. By crippling these features (for the monetery gain only) VZW is selling a device under "false pretences" and a device which they have manipulated to fit their needs. GPS in the phone (since it's autonomous) does not fall under the same coverage as "service" or "service dependant features", so they have no argument as they would with something like MMS or SMS or anything else that depends 100% upon VZW's cellular network to work. You get it now Mr. Lawyer?
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Blah blah blah same story different poster! Its not going to make a hill of beans if you bought it thinking the device had GPS on it thats your stupidity no one elses.
Show me one advertisement that states internal GPS is active and you dont have to use an add on GPS device. |
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07-17-2007, 05:04 PM
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Show me one advertisement that states internal GPS is active and you dont have to use an add on GPS device.
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Hey, wow, look at that. How about this one? RIM BlackBerry 8830 Phone (Sprint / Verizon Wireless) - Mobiledia
Not only GPS, but also states it has MMS as well. Imagine that, a company selling the device (Verizon/Sprint) models indicating ALL the native capabilities these phones have. Who's lying to whom now? Stop being a Verizon whore and admit it. They are cornholing us all. It's time to stop them!!! |
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07-17-2007, 05:19 PM
thats not a verizon page! nice try I am saying show me official verizon advertisement..
If you dont like it #$^&*( leave and go to another carrier no one is holding a gun to your head.
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07-17-2007, 05:28 PM
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thats not a verizon page! nice try I am saying show me official verizon advertisement..
If you dont like it #$^&*( leave and go to another carrier no one is holding a gun to your head.
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What is wrong with all you Atlanta people? Are you all a-holes? Curb your BS attitude towards this problem!
Yes, as a matter of fact, VZW is holding a monetery gun to our heads. We can't exit the wireless contract without paying a penalty. I will not pay a penalty because of extortion tactics that VZW pulls by disabling device capabilities. Also, the "If enough people leave, VZW will change" is a BS argument and you know it. WTF is wrong with you? |
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07-17-2007, 05:32 PM
From what I've learned, VZW hasn't toched the device in regards to GPS functionality. It appears that the 8703e and the 8830 both use A-GPS which requires network connectivity to help determine your coordinates. VZW has simply blocked access to the A-GPS servers
Assisted GPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As I mentioned in a previous post, I'd be the 1st to jump on the class-action bandwagon.... if there were a reason to do so. I've never seen VZW advertise either device as having anything more than E911 GPS functionality, and this is why even talking about a class action is pretty much pointless.
I'm wondering if there is any way to use an non-VZW A-GPS server.... Doubtful, but it's worth looking into
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07-17-2007, 05:33 PM
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Show me one advertisement that states internal GPS is active and you dont have to use an add on GPS device.
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Why are people defending Verizon here? Fact is they are lame for disabling the GPS. Yes, we know switching to another carrier is an option. And maybe VZW did not specifically state the GPS is functional. But many specs I saw listed the GPS as an built-in option. It is not unreasonable at all to assume it would work. Before people started receiving these devices and reporting on the matter, I don't think anyone knew the GPS was disabled. |
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07-17-2007, 05:34 PM
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What is wrong with all you Atlanta people? Are you all a-holes? Curb your BS attitude towards this problem!
Yes, as a matter of fact, VZW is holding a monetery gun to our heads. We can't exit the wireless contract without paying a penalty. I will not pay a penalty because of extortion tactics that VZW pulls by disabling device capabilities. Also, the "If enough people leave, VZW will change" is a BS argument and you know it. WTF is wrong with you?
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I hate it as much as you do, but you can't fault VZW because you assumed a product would have certain functionality. Did I just defend VZW? I think i need a drink....
As far as exiting you contract w/o penalty, you had 15 days to return the device after buying it penalty-free.
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07-17-2007, 05:37 PM
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What is wrong with all you Atlanta people? Are you all a-holes? Curb your BS attitude towards this problem!
Yes, as a matter of fact, VZW is holding a monetery gun to our heads. We can't exit the wireless contract without paying a penalty. I will not pay a penalty because of extortion tactics that VZW pulls by disabling device capabilities. Also, the "If enough people leave, VZW will change" is a BS argument and you know it. WTF is wrong with you?
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get a damn grip asshat (Sorry Mods) every carrier charges you if you dont like it leave bottom line you are being very rude and I am going to get in trouble because you keep attacking something you dont even have to be a part of. Go The F away.
Why are people defending Verizon here? Fact is they are lame for disabling the GPS. Yes, we know switching to another carrier is an option. And maybe VZW did not specifically state the GPS is functional. But many specs I saw listed the GPS as an built-in option. It is not unreasonable at all to assume it would work. Before people started receiving these devices and reporting on the matter, I don't think anyone knew the GPS was disabled
why not defend a great network one that works same for you if you dont like it go elsewhere its a free country. I was pissed at nextel I paid the 400 buck and I left. Get over it or die mad. |
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07-17-2007, 05:40 PM
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From what I've learned, VZW hasn't toched the device in regards to GPS functionality. It appears that the 8703e and the 8830 both use A-GPS which requires network connectivity to help determine your coordinates. VZW has simply blocked access to the A-GPS servers
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NO, NO, NO!!! The GPS in the 8830 is autonomous! How many times do I and others have to say the same thing. By being autonomous it does not needs access to AGPS carrier functions because it's not A(ssisted)GPS. Not only that, but Sprint and Bell didn't disable the GPS on their phones. You can use it with 3rd party apps all day long. This is just VZW's greed here, nothing else. |
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07-17-2007, 05:40 PM
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And maybe VZW did not specifically state the GPS is functional. But many specs I saw listed the GPS as an built-in option. It is not unreasonable at all to assume it would work. Before people started receiving these devices and reporting on the matter, I don't think anyone knew the GPS was disabled.
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This post made me think a little, and I'll start the thought by saying that: I'm not a lawyer, I don't play on on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
While it'd be next to impossible to file a class action against VZW as they didn't claim that the device has GPS functionality, everything I have seen from RIM re: 8703e indicates that the functionality is there. Perhaps there is a possibility of holding RIM to the grindstone for allowing VZW to block the functionality of the device. Maybe. Or it might be impossible to do so unless you bought the device directly from RIM. It might be worth checking with an attorney.
I've still got contact info for one of the atty's who handled the v710 class action. I'll give him a buzz tomorrow and see what he thinks.
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07-17-2007, 05:49 PM
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why not defend a great network one that works same for you if you dont like it go elsewhere its a free country. I was pissed at nextel I paid the 400 buck and I left. Get over it or die mad.
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No, that is letting the large conglomerate walk all over the consumer! This sort of economic tactics needs to stop! I hate to get political here, but if it wouldn't be for all you Republicans out there trying to squeeze every penny from the consumer for your own financial gain in your own class there would be a lot more happy people in this country. Things should be improved to help EVERYONE in the consumer market, not just those that will blindlessly pay for features they didn't need to pay for to begin with. The problem here is that someone (like you) would rather take the easy way out of a problem such as this and pay your way out and then take the second option (another network) even though it may mean an inferior network.
In the meantime, VZW's stock is going up with the help of these anti-consumer business ethics and the idiots buying their stock don't even know the truth to know the difference. |
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07-17-2007, 05:50 PM
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I've still got contact info for one of the atty's who handled the v710 class action. I'll give him a buzz tomorrow and see what he thinks.
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07-17-2007, 05:50 PM
According to your rationale, all capitalists are Republicans?
Stop trolling......
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07-17-2007, 05:58 PM
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According to your rationale, all capitalists are Republicans?
Stop trolling......
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Capitalism is not all bad, but damn, when does someone get to the point of not going for the throat of everyone else to make a buck. When will enough be enough? This kind of blindness is blindness to one's ethics, or lack thereof. |
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07-17-2007, 06:09 PM
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No, that is letting the large conglomerate walk all over the consumer! This sort of economic tactics needs to stop! I hate to get political here, but if it wouldn't be for all you Republicans out there trying to squeeze every penny from the consumer for your own financial gain in your own class there would be a lot more happy people in this country. Things should be improved to help EVERYONE in the consumer market, not just those that will blindlessly pay for features they didn't need to pay for to begin with. The problem here is that someone (like you) would rather take the easy way out of a problem such as this and pay your way out and then take the second option (another network) even though it may mean an inferior network.
In the meantime, VZW's stock is going up with the help of these anti-consumer business ethics and the idiots buying their stock don't even know the truth to know the difference.
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you do not know my political affiliation so you know what assuming means. But I am a captiolist and I believe if I can make every cent off of you I will. |
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07-17-2007, 09:40 PM
My issue with this matter is that the 8830 is being sold as a "World Edition" phone and that means that it is intended to be used outside of the United States and VZ Navigator coverage. What good is paying $ 10 a month if you and your 8830 are in Europe or South America and the Verizon service does not give you street information? Unless the satellite service is turned on so that the GPS can determine location without the VZ Navigator service then there is false advertising at best or bait and switch at worst.
The previous BlackBerry models sold by Verizon were not advertised as "World Edition" phones and my comments do not apply to them.
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07-17-2007, 11:33 PM
I am hearing different things. What is the status on teh vzw navigator?
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07-18-2007, 12:43 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)
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The letter post in that thread is very good. It backs up my numerous phone discussions with RIM which indicated the same thing. Verizon is locking this feature out to make more money. I urge everyone that wants the GPS feature back to print that email out and voice their dislike of VZW's practices to the Consumerist, the FTC, EFF, and other organizations to get as much press on this as possible. It's our duty and freedom to voice our stance in this matter and we should do it to help get these features back for everyone who has one of these phones, be they aware of the issue or not. There is power in numbers. Make them listen and change their unethical business practices!
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07-18-2007, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/105)
The letter post in that thread is very good. It backs up my numerous phone discussions with RIM which indicated the same thing. Verizon is locking this feature out to make more money. I urge everyone that wants the GPS feature back to print that email out and voice their dislike of VZW's practices to the Consumerist, the FTC, EFF, and other organizations to get as much press on this as possible. It's our duty and freedom to voice our stance in this matter and we should do it to help get these features back for everyone who has one of these phones, be they aware of the issue or not. There is power in numbers. Make them listen and change their unethical business practices!
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07-18-2007, 09:51 AM
Seems to me this thread has become one long Rant about Verizon and as such, is open game for comment, debate and discussion.
THE purpose of the thread began as a note for all those 8830 users seeking information about why gps is not enabled on their device, likewise was Stickied to the top of the GPS section for easy finding. It since has become another "let's gripe about Verizon thread" (others of which have been moved to their proper place in the Rants section.
I won't move this for now, respecting the reason it was Stickied where it is. But as long as a few make it a rant about Verizon, those few should expect opposing opinion cast back.
NOTE TO ALL: Clean up the name calling in this thread. Be warned.
Last edited by JSanders : 07-18-2007 at 09:57 AM.
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07-18-2007, 06:07 PM
I tried using BB Maps this evening to get home from work and kept getting an error message. Did a battery pull; kept getting the same error. So I deleted the program and went to download it and got a "We're sorry, but your carrier doesn't allow BB Maps on this device." I was like, "WTF?!" So I changed my emulation mode back to BlackBerry, exited the browser and tried again. This time it allowed me to download it.
When I started BB Maps, I clicked on "Start GPS" just to see what would happen. Nothing, which is what I expected. But then I went into Advanced Options and changed the GPS setting to "Location On" instead of "911 Only." Under GPS Data Source I now have the "Device GPS" option. If I remember correctly, I never had that option before. Before when I would click on it, it would only show a list of the bluetooth devices that were paired to my berry.
So my questions is...when you go to Advanced Options--->GPS--->GPS Data Source...are you able to select "Device GPS?" I would almost swear that option wasn't there before.
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07-18-2007, 06:49 PM
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So my questions is...when you go to Advanced Options--->GPS--->GPS Data Source...are you able to select "Device GPS?" I would almost swear that option wasn't there before.
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That option has been on my VZW 8830 from day one. Still no go. |
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07-18-2007, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JSRCCivic98
....if it wouldn't be for all you Republicans out there trying to squeeze every penny from the consumer for your own financial gain in your own class there would be a lot more happy people in this country...
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This is the kind of comment that is the reason there is a firm rule of ABSOLUTELY NO POLITICAL posting. This comment is inflammatory and will likely get you the kind of comments you are receiving (as well as a vacation from the forum.)
I agree with JSanders. Be warned. |
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07-18-2007, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cwosigns
I tried using BB Maps this evening to get home from work and kept getting an error message. Did a battery pull; kept getting the same error. So I deleted the program and went to download it and got a "We're sorry, but your carrier doesn't allow BB Maps on this device." I was like, "WTF?!" So I changed my emulation mode back to BlackBerry, exited the browser and tried again. This time it allowed me to download it.
When I started BB Maps, I clicked on "Start GPS" just to see what would happen. Nothing, which is what I expected. But then I went into Advanced Options and changed the GPS setting to "Location On" instead of "911 Only." Under GPS Data Source I now have the "Device GPS" option. If I remember correctly, I never had that option before. Before when I would click on it, it would only show a list of the bluetooth devices that were paired to my berry.
So my questions is...when you go to Advanced Options--->GPS--->GPS Data Source...are you able to select "Device GPS?" I would almost swear that option wasn't there before.
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The version of BBMaps that's preloaded on the Verizon 8830 has been modified to exclude the ability to pick the internal GPS as a source. Not only that, but the menu on the app is also different (as I'm sure you've noticed). Now, you can download BBMaps from RIM and load it up on the VZW 8830 after deleting the preloaded one. Once you do that, you can change the option to Location On and pick the integrated GPS device in BBMaps as you've done. However, once you click Start GPS in the BBMap menu all you get is a 0 for finding Satellites. Just FYI based on my findings. |
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