Without running a virtual Windows session (XP, Vista, etc.) will it, or is it, be possible - most likely using Wine, Wine HQ , to upgrade the OS?

Sorry in advance for starting a new thread but I didn't see this topic raised and I'm curious.

Wirelessly posted (life goes on! yes it is tough)

Nope at the time can't be done

Telling me something can't be done doesn't help me very much. However with your experience here at the forums, judging by the number of posts you have contributed, I am willing to judge more likely than not that what you wrote is really the current state of *nix/BB support in this area. However I was hoping for, but I did not explicitly ask for (so I certainly cannot blame you for your terse answer), for a knowledge of the stumbling blocks of attempting to do this. If anyone would be so kind as to tell me what problems exist in attempting to upgrade from a *nix I would be ever so greatful.

the ONLY software that allows for an OS update has to be run on Windows. There is no Linux/Unix/Mac support at this time. The Desktop Manager software requires an installation of Windows to run. Going forward the device will be able to update OTA, but it cannot at this time.

So an emulator, like WineHQ, is simply not developed enough for all processes RIM requires to take place at an upgrade at the moment?

That would be my assumption yes. I am sure someone out there with better programming skills than I can create the emulator, or alter it, so that it *could* run, but my understanding at this time is that it cannot.

One main issue stems from the use of the USB driver for the device, there is no documentation as to the protocols used; several very well versed developers (read: kernel module maintainers) have been trying to get RIM to provide documentation; to my knowledge, nothing has been given over. Most assuredly there are some other things in the way (the more high level items on the command/response structure, for instance) that are also not released to the public; these border on intellectual property rights I bet.

Several groups and/or individuals have been working on reverse engineering the protocols used and have many things working (see the Barry suite of tools), but the process of upgrading an OS is quite a ways beyond a simple chatter to and from the device. It may happen in the future (where there's a will, there's a way) but as a non-programming nerd you're going to get nowhere by thinking just using Wine will do the job. It's far, far more complicated and out of the reach of mere mortals at this stage.

I realize the limitations, capabilities, what ever one wants to call them of Barry and I also am on the periphery of understanding the usb driver issues but it just never made sense why an emulator could never do what Windows did. I get it now. The thread was created out of an interest in understanding the current situation in upgrading the OS in Linux. I program, not very well mind you, but as is the problem with everyone these days I have no time.

In any event thank you rivviepop for shedding light on OS upgrading, as I am strictly a GNU/Linux user - the BB was a poor choice for my needs but Barry has made it at least tolerable and midpssh etc. all help to make it a worthwhile product regardless of its limitations.

thanks again

As much as i love using linux, this is the reason why i dual boot and the ONLY reason i go into windows.

Same here, on both my Linux and OS X machines ... The only reason I keep windows around is primarily because of my blackberry.

i have a windows xp machine running under vmware and use the desktop manager in there. just make sure you have Barry installed/configured.

jsntrenkler, are you saying you can do firmware upgrades with the blackberry desktop manager via xp as virtual machine? Please confirm, as if so, this is the route I will take.

Just a tought, in windows we have javaloader to do some task for blackberry. Probably we can make it works on linux? Load application, wipe etc...?