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My .02 worth on this entire thread....
If some people would spend HALF the time learning about their device as they do trying to rip the carriers off many of these discussions would never happen.... Do I get any change back from my .02??? Kris |
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Hey guys, I didn't tag this thread for followup, but i've done so now. I'll put together a straight forward, easy to follow step-by-step. The no data plan, refers to not having to subscribe to the blackberry data plan for surfing the net, downloading applications, or even a bit of cached email. I use this in my day to day. This is not meant to bypass having an internet connection externally, I have no idea how one could possibly think that, but it is meant to allow one to have data flow on a device that doesn't have a data plan.
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As for the Cost for equiptment, setup, etc... Who said anything about a cost being associated with this... or are you meaning the cost of the data for downloading the "Free" software, or the data connection to an existing already setup BES with an unused license? Perhaps you can speak for the Common User, whatever classification you may wish to place one as, but for me anyone Interested in the information is welcome to try. Quote:
I also have many clients that I've setup on this and they use it in daily as well. If you are simply looking for some data flow on a device, it's a great solution and the "comes with a hitch", isn't all that big. They simply do it to save data costs for the high users, or for some of the users that have phone only, it allows them to use email while they are on company premises or at their homes. Kinda convenient if you are a company trying to save some money and having each employee with a mobile phone is a little bit of a budget stretch, let alone a data plan on all the devices. I have to wonder if you have the same kind of objections to Wi-Fi enabled blackberries? They do work well and are suprisingly fast. We are just doing something similar with the Bluetooth capable blackberries, simple as that. If anyone reads the wrong tone into this message, please do not. I have nothing against the user that I am quoting, in fact, I don't believe that I have corresponded with this user before, but I do have an issue with something being offered or a question being replied to and then a solution being called absolutely "Ridiculous". If you don't want to know the answer, then when I post the step-by-step, don't read or follow it. If you feel you have to purchase additional equiptment or buy something to complete the steps, then that's your choice, but the steps to follow and the software to complete them is currently free. Cheers All. :smile: |
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baltee, when you are going to post the step by step instructions on how to do this, you've only been asked like 2-3 times in this and another thread.
I think you are being defensive about this for no reason--no one is complaining that you have made it work, it's nice that you have. It's just that you won't explain the process to anyone else by posting the step by step instructions. I think we are especially interested in the "I use this day to day, both in and out of the office/home" part. Whose wireless are you using? |
Granted perhaps I was just caught on a bad day. I'll post details for the weekend. I had forgotten about the other thread, that was quite a while ago. Part of the fun with being too busy......... Cheers. :smile:
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I'm gunna have to agree with baltee on this one. So far he has really been the only one to offer a *somewhat and hopefully soon* solution for the original poster's question. Regardless if it was a dumb question or if the question makes you angry or whatever. He's still the only one that has posted anything worth reading. Everyone else has decided to make this thread personal and voice their opinions about how wrong everyone else is.
All I'm saying is take it easy. It obvious that the orig poster was being a *not nice guy* with the way he posted this thread. So either say you know how to or that you don't. No reason to start a huge thread on what your definition of Free or stealing is. If you all want to continue to argue about this then by all means continue. I just thought a view from the outside might help in realizing that we are not 12 years old and that we should be able to discuss things in a more productive manner. This is a Tech forum, not myspace |
Thanks for those wise words Zero.
Baltee hasn't posted anything yet to prove or show that his method works. I wish he would, he's been asked several times over six months, but never any answer. |
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True he has not posted anything SOLID. The idea he talks about does make sense and in theory does work. From a BES Admin perspective anyways. It may not be *easy* like he says. But everyone's definition of easy is different.
I apologize for the foul language earlier. I have edited it. Thanks for pointing it out Jsanders. I know you enjoyed it, just like old times. |
Time passes too fast, I hadnt realized it was that long....>>> Anyways, I'll get something up later this evening. And hey.. thanks for the support ;-)
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Cool, baltree, much appreciated... and answers to the questions-- oh I'll restate it just for kicks:
Whose wireless are you using, when you "use this day to day, both in and out of the office/home" ? How does this work out of the office or home, i.e. in the car, at the mall, at a friends house or office? |
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Hokus pokus.... Alakazam.....
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I wouldn't call this a truely mobile solution, but it will work. When I am mobile I usually rely on the standard Blackberry DAP on my sim, but if I need to run in this fashion for a tradeshow/training at a clients office or just showing off a little, I'll proxy it via Bluetooth through my laptop connecting to the internet via Wi-FI, 10BT, or via Aircard. (I have this running on a both a WM5 and a linux device, to be used as a proxy, but the setup on these are pretty fun, but quite complicated, so I won't be getting into those two.) Cheers |
Well, here's a quick writeup. I'll get into further details on the next one, but I figured I might as well get some of it up, besides as some other's have pointed out, the proof's in the pudding so to speak....
In the interest of getting some information up quickly, I will not be going into the bluetooth configuration for the desktop manager, but if you need information on how to do that, you can look at some of the other posts on this site. Personally I use a Bluetooth USB Dongle that came with the Motorola Mobile phone tools and have switched to using the WIDCOMM drivers instead of the Microsoft ones. Also in this first write up, for the sake of just simply getting something up, i will not be getting into BES details or performing a shunted BES install, well just simply say that you need access to an existing BES. In order for this to work, you will need to install the Blackberry Desktop Manager for use with a Blackberry Server. Once installed, please reboot, it's just best practice... Once the Blackberry Desktop manager is installed, you can then setup your bluetooth connection to the blackberry if you so wish. Depending on how the existing BES is setup and where it is located you may also have to have a port in the firewall opened for this. (4101 is the default for this). Your blackberry will need to be activated on the blackberry server, either via a simple cabled activation, or a standard wireless activation. Next open the blackberry device manager and connect your blackberry either via USB or use Bluetooth. You may wish to change the Startup Settings to Start Blackberry Device Manager on system startup. http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...iceManager.jpg Next click on the Blackberry Router Configuration tab and select Enable User Defined Routers. Now Click Add Router and from the pop-up add either the IP Address or the URL of the BES. http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...figuration.jpg Once completed, you should now be able to use the bypass service. Please note: on some BES setups, the IT Policies will have to be modified to allow this type of connection. http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...ent=stats1.jpg http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...ent=stats2.jpg Image of Statistics example 3 - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting Blackberry Screen Shot running on a regular Blackberry DAP http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...ent=speed1.jpg Blackberry Screen Shot running on the Bypass http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...ent=speed2.jpg Hope this helps answer some questions. It's a pretty simple setup when you get right down to it, allowing you to download large amounts of information to your blackberry without being dinged for it on your data plan or without the necessity of even having a dataplan. Email and web browsing work and as a side, you can send out email while using the phone on the berry. Cheers All |
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