Task Manager and msconfig equivalent

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by VIOLATOR

Be it consumer end cost increase to include additional features, program size, compatibility problems, etc.

you are probably right about that...i just hope that they realize in the near future the potential market they could gain by upping the ante a bit

Originally Posted by VIOLATOR

The abilities and function of the mobile phone have drastically changed in the last several years and I fully anticipate in a few more years these phones will dam near be the full equivalent of a laptop.

I think they are already at that point in most respects. The only difference is hardware constraints. The BlackBerry appeals to me so much because of the simultaneous application execution features. I have a bluetooth wireless keyboard for my blackberry with a stand built in so i can place my blackberry on it while typing...it turns it into an awesome laptop for surfing the net and typing in office documents and emailing etc...etc...i can get on youtube, pandora, stream internet radio, listen to my music, watch movies...everything you can think of...i wouldn't try any type of multimedia editing or programming on it or high end gaming, but the rest is already there...it's a gps, phone, laptop, communicator, office, movie player, communicator, internet device...it's almost everything i want and more...totally stoked that the storm supports stereo bluetooth headphones...

Originally Posted by VIOLATOR

I know that did not answer any of the OP's questions but since this thread has kind of turned into a debate - I just figured I would throw my 2 cents and reiterate that I am truly enjoying reading this thread.

sorry i turned it into a debate...couldn't help it...i needed a place to vent my concerns and frustration...maybe i can fine tune my points of interest and make a viable communication of user feedback to RIM and help them guide their development for the better...

and I appreciate your 2 cents (worth more these days thanks to deflation!) and glad your enjoying it!

[dc/dc]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

sorry i turned it into a debate...couldn't help it...i needed a place to vent my concerns and frustration...maybe i can fine tune my points of interest and make a viable communication of user feedback to RIM and help them guide their development for the better...

and I appreciate your 2 cents (worth more these days thanks to deflation!) and glad your enjoying it!

While I can certainly appreciate your desire to vent, I would like to strongly suggest that you work on your spelling, grammar, and writing style before you make any attempt to contact RIM. If you were to write a message today in the same style in which you've continued to post, I am fairly certain your message will be filed in the rubbish bin straight away.

[JasonSamfield]

I'm running a program that I downloaded from the App Store called GPS tracker and it has an option called "Auto-start on boot". This to me implies that some sort of configuration file like a registry is being used to initiate certain processes when the phone boots up from a battery pull when the OS loads the init() program.

Any ideas where this might be located? I'm going to start studying the API and see if I can find this anywhere.

[SteveO86]

Honestly is you start start studying the API and start "cracking" the BB OS.. I doubt it would as secure as it is.

BB OS architecture is going to be completely different from windows.

(if you must though, I would consider starting with COD files these seem to be the OS files itself.)

[JasonSamfield]

Sure it's going to be different, but it will be very similar also. It's an operating system that has similar components to it. It's not really cracking either, I just want to either create the app myself or find one that already exists either built-in to the OS or third party that I can use to control the boot-up applications.

The COD files won't help because they are obfuscated and Java byte code and I really don't want to deal with that. I just want someone that either knows already about the answer to help me out or somebody at RIM that knows the OS inside and out that can lend a hand to creating such a third party app or something of that nature.

[SteveO86]

May want to start peeking into the developer forum.

Developer Forum - BlackBerryForums.com : Your Number One BlackBerry Community
BlackBerry - BlackBerry Developer Zone

I would also like to throw it out there, your profile says 4.7.0.75, have you upgraded your OS at all? (That wouuld be an ideal place to start) Upgrading the OS may make the phone snappier for you. Although will not fix your other concerns.

Note: Wireless Upgrade was never enabled by VZW so I'd ignore it for now.

[JasonSamfield]

so the wireless upgrade option does not work on a verizon phone? why would they do that?

[SteveO86]

VZW never enabled the feature in BIS. So for now it's utterly useless.

Why VZW block GPS on non-Storms.. They can..

I'm not sure if any carrier has Wireless Upgrade enabled for that matter. (I thought AT&T turned on but that may have been a rumor)

[JasonSamfield]

so how will i get a upgrade notification for my OS?

when i check it now, it says there are no new updates available, but from what i've heard VZW has not released it officially yet

am i mistaken about what you mean wireless upgrade?

and what are you talking about with GPS blocking? i'm confused by what you mean

[SteveO86]

You won't get an Update OS notification.. Pretty much the only way you will find out their is an update for your device is by checking these forums, the 95xx forums, there is a sticky at the top with the latest OS.

As far as wireless upgrade, just completely forget about the option/ability, it does not do anything... yet.

GPS is blocked on all VZW BlackBerries except the Storm, something that VZW likes to do. (A mini-rant from me, just an an example "Why is GPS blocked" "Why doesn't wireless upgrade work" Answer: "It's VZW it's what they do.")

Looks like I was mistaken, Bell is running a newer OS not VZW... Scratch that idea, unless you want to install an OS from different carrier/or a beta OS.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

the Blackberry is less restricting than the iPhone as far as apps and media storage...the apps on an iPhone are restricted through apple's policies and approval and any third party apps not approved by apple void warranties and so on...

Blackberry has actually been the Microsoft of mobile computing for a while now with their less centralized app development and control over the third party apps

for example, the iPhone got it's first office application back in september...the Blackberry has had office apps for a much longer time...blackberry is ahead of the curve in most respects

due to time frame out right? and adoption? sorta like viruses work, why are pc's running windows prone to viruses or about 99.9% of viruses written for windows not ubuntu, osx, freebsd, or other systems. due to market shares, who cares if you can hack, compromise 10% of the market when 90% gives even more then that 10?

also, how many people using a pc, even know what msconfig is. or regedit?
most dont even know what a task manager is.

but the bottom line its a device created to a certain task, what you can / cant do is limited to the developers of said device. 95% of the os'es on these devices are stripped down to basics, with alot of functions not avaible, for resources or security.

but you cant compare a blackberry to a drm device. which the iphone is.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

due to time frame out right? and adoption?

i am confused on what you were trying to say

i agree that a blackberry is not a drm influenced device like the iphone, but this device is not limited or stripped down tremendously...at least not enough to ask for these features...i just want to stop AIM from auto-starting...there has to be a way to do this since AIM installed itself to auto-start...there should be a way to remove the auto-start...capiche?

Originally Posted by wabbit

but the bottom line its a device created to a certain task, what you can / cant do is limited to the developers of said device. 95% of the os'es on these devices are stripped down to basics, with alot of functions not avaible, for resources or security.

what certain task or tasks is the BlackBerry confined or designed to do? beyond being a phone and a GPS, it's a multimedia player, internet device that has all the components of a general purpose computer...it's got excel, word, powerpoint, IM clients, Gmail, email, calendars, calculators, rss readers, bluetooth and usb capability, external storage capability, and it has two cores with a total of over 600 mhz in processing power with 16 GB secondary storage....that's more than my first few computers in specs

[dankarlinski]

it does have alot of features like a computer, however, most devices do, as society is getting more and more mobile. it is a demand for todays workforce andcunsumers. the berry was designed for business... so it has alot of business functionality.

it can do anything important that you need it to. in fact, it can do anything BUT the stupid things you see in the iphone commercials. and really, who needs a separate app to tell you the amount you owe on a bill? and when are you going to balance a bookcase with your phone?? huh?

[JasonSamfield]

hate to break it to you, but those apps exist for the blackberry storm...there is a free version of the blackberry level on the app store and they have a bill and tip application too...it's all going to get created...

it is a freakin computer end of story...tired of arguing that on here

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by SteveO86

You won't get an Update OS notification.. Pretty much the only way you will find out their is an update for your device is by checking these forums, the 95xx forums, there is a sticky at the top with the latest OS.

As far as wireless upgrade, just completely forget about the option/ability, it does not do anything... yet.

GPS is blocked on all VZW BlackBerries except the Storm, something that VZW likes to do. (A mini-rant from me, just an an example "Why is GPS blocked" "Why doesn't wireless upgrade work" Answer: "It's VZW it's what they do.")

Looks like I was mistaken, Bell is running a newer OS not VZW... Scratch that idea, unless you want to install an OS from different carrier/or a beta OS.

well that's lame and i think the users should protest somehow...consumer power should be in our hands

why waste the space on my precious memory for the feature of a wireless upgrade if i can't do it...and you don't know of a mailing list or anything that will let me know when the latest OS update is released?

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

i am confused on what you were trying to say

i agree that a blackberry is not a drm influenced device like the iphone, but this device is not limited or stripped down tremendously...at least not enough to ask for these features...i just want to stop AIM from auto-starting...there has to be a way to do this since AIM installed itself to auto-start...there should be a way to remove the auto-start...capiche?



what certain task or tasks is the BlackBerry confined or designed to do? beyond being a phone and a GPS, it's a multimedia player, internet device that has all the components of a general purpose computer...it's got excel, word, powerpoint, IM clients, Gmail, email, calendars, calculators, rss readers, bluetooth and usb capability, external storage capability, and it has two cores with a total of over 600 mhz in processing power with 16 GB secondary storage....that's more than my first few computers in specs

i just jivetalk for all im's so the aol i'm not sure, i check the settings under options/applications/aol if you can change a setting from auto starting tho i dont have a storm, some applications control can be changed on my curve their.

as for tasks, a blackberry is a communications device above all, push email, unlike an iphone where i can actually hide the phone part from it, a bb is just that, a cell phone with communications, from im's to email to voice. its a portable communications device, not a pc.

[JasonSamfield]

well i'm going to quit arguing, but i still know i'm right...you have not proven to me that it is not a computer....

like i said, it's a 600 mhz dual core 16 GB secondary storage computer...i can disbable the mobile network and then it's just a PC...i can reenable it to give me the data services that provide my internet (my NIC)...and it just happens to also be a phone and GPS unit

if you want to continue discussing why the BB Storm is or is not a computer, then give me your top 5 reasons for why it is not a computer and i will respond with why i think it is...otherwise, i'm done trying to convert non-believers

[JasonSamfield]

what IM services does jivetalk allow?

or maybe a better questions, which of the following does it not allow?

facebook, myspace, gtalk, aim, yahoo, bb messenger, skype, qq, pidgin

[jsconyers]

It allows all but qq and pidgin. It is not yet available for the Storm.

[JasonSamfield]

ok then, so that counts me out...i'll just wait until better apps get made for the storm

[JasonSamfield]

just read what this says about smartphones to get a better idea of what they really are:
Smartphone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comparison of smartphones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Smartphone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

well i'm going to quit arguing, but i still know i'm right...you have not proven to me that it is not a computer....

like i said, it's a 600 mhz dual core 16 GB secondary storage computer...i can disbable the mobile network and then it's just a PC...i can reenable it to give me the data services that provide my internet (my NIC)...and it just happens to also be a phone and GPS unit

if you want to continue discussing why the BB Storm is or is not a computer, then give me your top 5 reasons for why it is not a computer and i will respond with why i think it is...otherwise, i'm done trying to convert non-believers

an abacus is a computer. a calculator is a computer, yet, they do a set defined functions. everything with a cpu is computer, take a car, they have computers modules etc, yet do do a pre set function. the ecu controls the eng / transmission etc.

while yes, a blackberry is a computer, as with anything that does mathematical computations, its still a small portable device that does a set or predefined items.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

an abacus is a computer. a calculator is a computer, yet, they do a set defined functions. everything with a cpu is computer, take a car, they have computers modules etc, yet do do a pre set function. the ecu controls the eng / transmission etc.

while yes, a blackberry is a computer, as with anything that does mathematical computations, its still a small portable device that does a set or predefined items.

haha, close

blackberry is electronic, has secondary storage and primary storage (RAM), has a complex operating system that allows for general purpose computing applications to be designed...

by your measure, a desktop computer might not be considered as a computer because it does a "predefined set of functions"...

in reality, everything in this world is based upon mathematics and performs some degree of mathematical calucations...but i don't even want to try to explain that...you guys are having a tough time understanding why a BB Storm is a computer...

my Storm does not do a predefined set of functions because i can write software to do non-predefined functions...

it's a von neumann machine...it is not a deterministic machine...which is what i think you are trying to say...it's a non-deterministic machine...the determinism was removed as soon as the API was created

[JasonSamfield]

i guess i should be very very very specific

it is an electronic computer using a transistor semiconductor microchip and a software system consisting of a microkernel operating system with layered design from hardware abstraction to an API (application programming interface) that allows applications/programs to be developed for any sort of computing requirements that can be executed within the hardware specifications that are comparable to very late 1990's desktop computer specifications...it has a unique touchscreen LCD display that allows the user to interact with the system from the display without visually distinct peripheral device for HCI (human-computer interaction)....many software programs exist that give the user of the device to perform all the normal desktop computer activities and functions such as office, email, internet, multimedia display and interaction....many applications can and probably will be created to bring the level of functionality to an even higher level creating applications that do not exist even in desktop computers by harnessing the LBS (location based services) to give a new level and paradigm to personal computing...

what's that again? it's not a computer? then what is it? a phone? hardly...just a small portion of the device is actually a phone...otherwise i wouldn't be having this conversation with you guys...because the original post was because i want to turn off processes that are auto-starting on their own without my consent

[JasonSamfield]

device that receives, processes, and presents information. The two basic types of computers are analog and digital. Although generally not regarded as such, the most prevalent computer is the simple mechanical analog computer, in which gears, levers, ratchets, and pawls perform mathematical operations—for example, the speedometer and the watt-hour meter (used to measure accumulated electrical usage). The general public has become much more aware of the digital computer with the rapid proliferation of the hand-held calculator and a large variety of intelligent devices and especially with exposure to the Internet and the World Wide Web. See also Calculators; Internet; World Wide Web.

An analog computer uses inputs that are proportional to the instantaneous value of variable quantities, combines these inputs in a predetermined way, and produces outputs that are a continuously varying function of the inputs and the processing. These outputs are then displayed or connected to another device to cause action, as in the case of a speed governor or other control device. Small electronic analog computers are frequently used as components in control systems. If the analog computer is built solely for one purpose, it is termed a special-purpose electronic analog computer. In any analog computer the key concepts involve special versus general-purpose computer designs, and the technology utilized to construct the computer itself, mechanical or electronic. See also Analog computer.

In contrast, a digital computer uses symbolic representations of its variables. The arithmetic unit is constructed to follow the rules of one (or more) number systems. Further, the digital computer uses individual discrete states to represent the digits of the number system chosen. A digital computer can easily store and manipulate numbers, letters, images, sounds, or graphical information represented by a symbolic code. Through the use of the stored program, the digital computer achieves a degree of flexibility unequaled by any other computing or data-processing device.

The advent of the relatively inexpensive and readily available personal computer, and the combination of the computer and communications, such as by the use of networks, have dramatically expanded computer applications. The most common application now is probably text and word processing, followed by electronic mail. See also Electronic mail; Local-area networks; Microcomputer; Word processing.

Computers have begun to meet the barrier imposed by the speed of light in achieving higher speeds. This has led to research and development in the areas of parallel computers (in order to accomplish more in parallel rather than by serial computation) and distributed computers (taking advantage of network connections to spread the work around, thus achieving more parallelism). Continuing demand for more processing power has led to significant changes in computer hardware and software architectures, both to increase the speed of basic operations and to reduce the overall processing time. See also Computer systems architecture; Concurrent processing; Distributed systems (computers); Multiprocessing; Supercomputer.

computer

[dc/dc]

Just stop. Seriously. All you're doing at this point is picking nits and arguing semantics, and it is not providing any positive benefit to anyone.

[JasonSamfield]

well, call it what you want, it's a computing device...whether that's a computer to you or not is up to your mental model of what a computer actually is...to give more depth to that statement, most people thought that the sun revolved around the earth until they were able to discover that in fact the earth revolves around the sun...your perspective has a lot to do with your background...maybe you are not a big computer science person...that would explain your preface of calling it a phone versus mine for calling it a computer

let's return to the original post which i asked where there exists an ability to control startup apps on the BlackBerry OS.....i did find some information after excluding these forums in my searches and i'll post the link here for anybody that would like to learn more about the auto-starting of apps, this is something semi-relevant and about as close to anything that i was able to find to an answer....and it's straight from RIM themselves

auto-start info from blackberry:
BlackBerry Support Community Forums - Re: Disable auto-run on startup - Java Development - BlackBerry Support Community Forums

it does not look promising for an answer or any help from RIM or even a third party app, but at least it's a freaking answer...i seem to find those rarely around here...basically, each app controls the way it runs and you can't do anything about it....very very very lame...

coupled with the other loss on the 128 MB application and OS memory space limitation front, i am currently very disgusted with the turn of events in finding these truths and i'm upset at the phone and RIM for not enabling it as they could and should have...i was sold on lies that my blackberry was truly superior than all the other mobile devices when in fact it lacks in a few key areas that are crucial to its survival in the mobile computing environment of this decade...

oh and i want better user control that i have come to accept as RIM's standard focus in their design of the BlackBerry OS in previous implementations

in continuation of this thread, does anybody think (doubtful here) that there is a possibility of a third party app that could gain control of other apps and their auto-starting functions after reading the above link?

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

in continuation of this thread, does anybody think (doubtful here) that there is a possibility of a third party app that could gain control of other apps and their auto-starting functions after reading the above link?

Sure there's a possibility.

[JasonSamfield]

ok then, let's discuss the possibility....have you or anyone reading this thread seen anything related to finding a solution to this problem?

[JSanders]

No.

Check over in the developer section and hire one you like.

[wabbit]

this thread is pointless. theirs a variety of apps if you dont like one, a diffrent will suit your needs, on a side note blackberry is still keeping the design simple, when its broken turn it off and back on everything is fixed

p.s its a device.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

on a side note blackberry is still keeping the design simple, when its broken turn it off and back on everything is fixed

that's bad design though...it's better to fix the problem so it does not occur again instead of always starting over...but i'm going to stop posting because you guys are clearly OK with being complicit and submissive to your device where i would much rather not be

Originally Posted by wabbit

p.s its a device.

and thank you for your carefully thought insight on Blackberry Storms being a device...i will forever consider it a device instead of a computer...my bad...i was totally wrong...not even close

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

that's bad design though...it's better to fix the problem so it does not occur again instead of always starting over...but i'm going to stop posting because you guys are clearly OK with being complicit and submissive to your device where i would much rather not be

Jason, I understand RIM is hiring this year 4,000 new employees, even some in Texas. Get your resume spiffed up.

RIM Tenth Anniversary; five new carriers for 8900 and 9500 | BlackBerryNews.com

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

that's bad design though...it's better to fix the problem so it does not occur again instead of always starting over...but i'm going to stop posting because you guys are clearly OK with being complicit and submissive to your device where i would much rather not be

how is this a bad design?

most people have no clue how their pc works now they have to learn how their portable device works?

90% of people could care less as long as their email works, they get phone calls, and when in doubt can reset a device with loosing info just by pulling the battery out and back in.

not everyone who walks around with a blackberry is tech savvy, nor do they have the time to learn the in's out of the os.

[SteveO86]

How many people voted "no" to the poll??

I for one did.. If RIM gave more access to thier device/OS then it would not be as secure and it currently is now.. What you have is another flavor of WinMo/Iphone being cracked/hacked/jail breaked/whatever you want to call it.

The BlackBerry was initially a pager-like device for email when it first started (would you consider that a computer as well??) and it has been evolving slowly and will continue to evolve.. Thier is a reason the BlackBerry has been around for years and is used by Gov't agencies.. It is a successful device. Plain and simple.

While this is a successful device that can perform many tasks it is still considered a Smartphone, not a full fledged laptop/desktop/netbook and it does have it's limitations.

The BlackBerry is advertised as a Smartphone NOT a computer... given the logic can I consider my laptop with Skype a Smartphone surely the logic can be reversed?

Yes, I'm sure you can (and will) continue calling it a computer, you can call it an Atari for all care, but until I see RIM themselves calling a computer and not a smartphone I am still considering a smartphone (for the mere fact it is still phone).

[daphne]

One thing you have to agree on... the OP is persistant. But it's all moot anyway because, as they say, "it is what it is" and if it doesn't meet your needs, don't use it.

To the OP -- maybe you'd get a response more to your liking on RIM's official forum. BlackBerry Support Community Forums - BlackBerry Support Community Forums - BlackBerry Support Community Forums

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by SteveO86

If RIM gave more access to thier device/OS then it would not be as secure and it currently is now.. What you have is another flavor of WinMo/Iphone being cracked/hacked/jail breaked/whatever you want to call it.

not necessarily, if they just give a little here and there like which applications auto-start, it would be much better...

at present, RIM already does this, but only per application and only if the developer builds it into the app...why not allow it for all unnecessary applications and services including background processes that are not crucial to the OS or phone's operation?

it makes total sense to me...especially when you have a limited amount of memory and CPU power to run an already strained system that users expect almost realtime computing capabilities from...

just a simple listing in the phone's options section with check boxes per each auto-starting process...that's all i'm asking

Originally Posted by SteveO86

The BlackBerry was initially a pager-like device for email when it first started (would you consider that a computer as well??)

no, it was not at the level it is today that i would classify as a computing device because it was not expandable, general purpose, using a degree of multiprogramming, nor having an expandable functionality based upon application development...a pager is a computer in computer science terminology much like charles babbage's machine, but it is not comparable to what we call computers...i think the more correct term i would say is personal computer...the storm is a personal computer almost more so than it is a phone

Originally Posted by SteveO86

Thier is a reason the BlackBerry has been around for years and is used by Gov't agencies.. It is a successful device. Plain and simple.

maybe so, but maybe the success was directly because of the contracts and the capabilities that those valuable contracts made the developers work around...

with that being said, it is now being marketed as a civilian device that is a competitor to the iphone, however, it still conforms to its older evolutionary history as a purely corporate and military device with high security as a focal point...

(i actually chose BlackBerry many years ago because of the security features for my own personal use separate from my professional use...)

however, the older design will hamper its civilian market success in the near future when word gets out that the newly released app world is not an apple store equivalent as advertised nor is it a decent competitor because the device itself (storm) is not capable to house the numerous applications that everyone expects from an "app store" capable device...that bar was set by apple and everyone has been doing catch up since...

i think it would be best for the company to branch off in both directions (military-corporate and personal) if they want to retain their old success and continue to capture more of the smartphone market share success that the iphone and apple have done...as a top smartphone company, RIM cannot ignore this new market and also remain viable...

Originally Posted by SteveO86

While this is a successful device that can perform many tasks it is still considered a Smartphone, not a full fledged laptop/desktop/netbook and it does have it's limitations.

i'm not saying that it is a full fledged desktop, but it isn't really that limited...if you compare it to personal computers of last decade, it actually is more capable...i'm just saying that it has achieved the level of a general purpose computer and more specifically it has achieved the level of personal computer status...

Originally Posted by SteveO86

The BlackBerry is advertised as a Smartphone NOT a computer... given the logic can I consider my laptop with Skype a Smartphone surely the logic can be reversed?

the line between smartphone and computer is becoming blurry...defining either is going to be more difficult as these devices become more advanced and full of functionality that is familiar as personal computer functionality...

the reason why i call it a computer is because of all the personal computer functionality that it has....its use of secondary storage, it's dual core CPU, it's multi-programmed operating system, and the fact that familiar computing features are available to me now such as browsing the Internet, editing office documents, gaming, photo editing, multimedia storage and playback, along with the multitude of other features like email that you normally only find on a personal computer...

the expandability, the versatility, the vast multitude of its applicability beyond what it can do currently that is envisioned when new developers consider developing new applications for it....

any single feature would not necessarily persuade my mind to accept its redefinition as a personal computer, but the inclusion of all these features combined creates a certain synergy which switches its definition for me...pop-culture will catch up soon enough and so will the marketing business, however, marketing guys like buzz words and "smartphone" will probably be here to stay, but it has definitely switched from being just a phone to a personal computer with a phone or a phone with a personal computer...industry professionals are already calling it mobile computing, i think the future is very bright for this type of computing...i'd much rather have a laptop the size of a mobile phone than to have a huge laptop to lug around everywhere...glad i have my storm!

a few succinct rhetoric questions that we can ponder in reference to this discussion:

• when did a phone become a smartphone?
• was there a defining moment?
• what does the word smartphone actually mean exactly?

is there any other single device besides a personal computer (netbook/laptop/desktop) that can do all of these mentioned "personal computer tasks" as part of the single device's capability other than the blackberry storm? if so, i'm interested...but only if it is the size of my storm and have a big screen like the storm as well as having the capability of making phone calls and receiving all of its data connectivity via a cellular network or satellite...

of course it is a smartphone, but it is also a computer...just like a netbook, laptop, desktop are computers...i do not limit my definition of a computer based upon a certain "form factor"....the blackberry storm has officially achieved status as a computer in my mind for all the reasons above and even more so than the iphone (mainly because of the storm's level of multiprogramming and removable secondary storage)

blackberry users should be proud of this, not against it...sorry i stirred up such a controversy

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

how is this a bad design?

i think you misunderstood what i was calling bad design...i was calling it bad design to perform a battery pull for any problem encountered...essentially that's saying that it's ok to just alleviate the symptoms instead of fixing the problem that caused the symptoms...i believe that fixing the problem is more important than just alleviating the symptoms alone...

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

i think you misunderstood what i was calling bad design...i was calling it bad design to perform a battery pull for any problem encountered...essentially that's saying that it's ok to just alleviate the symptoms instead of fixing the problem that caused the symptoms...i believe that fixing the problem is more important than just alleviating the symptoms alone...

you are very much missing the point.

with that said

since its a computer and not a device, go download android its free os, with source, and load it on a blackberry then code what you want.

i give up you are really missing the picture.

[compugeek_610]

this has been a great read


Moral of the story Jason , maybe you should have done some research before purchasing the phone.